Is the soul and the spirit the same thing?

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Define soul, spirit, mind, and heart? Explain how they are connected.

Is the spirit your energy, the mind your thoughts, the heart your feelings, and the soul your heart, mind, and spirit combined with the Holy Trinity?
 
Define soul, spirit, mind, and heart? Explain how they are connected.

Is the spirit your energy, the mind your thoughts, the heart your feelings, and the soul your heart, mind, and spirit combined with the Holy Trinity?
From the Glossary of the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

[The soul is ]“the spiritual principle of human beings. The soul is the subject of human consciousness and freedom; soul and body together form one unique human nature. Each human soul is individual and immortal, immediately created by God. The soul does not die with the body, from which it is separated by death, and with which it will be reunited in the final resurrection.”
 
From the Glossary of the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

[The soul is ]“the spiritual principle of human beings. The soul is the subject of human consciousness and freedom; soul and body together form one unique human nature. Each human soul is individual and immortal, immediately created by God. The soul does not die with the body, from which it is separated by death, and with which it will be reunited in the final resurrection.”
Thank you for that beautiful description of the soul from the CCC.

So the soul is everything about you that is not your body.

Does the CCC have a definition of the human body?
 
Thank you for that beautiful description of the soul from the CCC.

So the soul is everything about you that is not your body.

Does the CCC have a definition of the human body?
Exactly! The soul animates the body and is everything you are that is not your material make-up. The CCC does define the human **being **as a body/soul unity. I would have to get back to you as to whether or not the CCC has an definition of the human body. (I’m running late but I will be back) but I would venture to say that the human body consists of all of the material functions that , united with the soul, become the human person that we are…teachccd 🙂
 
Exactly! The soul animates the body and is everything you are that is not your material make-up. The CCC does define the human **being **as a body/soul unity. I would have to get back to you as to whether or not the CCC has an definition of the human body. (I’m running late but I will be back) but I would venture to say that the human body consists of all of the material functions that , united with the soul, become the human person that we are…teachccd 🙂
I suppose there are many definitions for mind and heart, and depending on how you define them, they could be part of the body or soul. Organs=body Spirit=soul Hmmm…I’m not sure where I was going with this thread. :hmmm: I guess I wanted to hear that our soul is more then just energy.
 
I suppose there are many definitions for mind and heart, and depending on how you define them, they could be part of the body or soul. Organs=body Spirit=soul Hmmm…I’m not sure where I was going with this thread. :hmmm: I guess I wanted to hear that our soul is more then just energy.
Yes, your soul is indeed more than just energy. Your soul comprises your being made in the very image and likeness of God. While your heart is a physical component of your body, many use this organ to represent core of who we are. It is more symbolism than a reality since the heart dies with the body merely because it is an organ within the body. I hope that this helps…teachccd 🙂
 
Hi All,

Is the soul understood to involve self-consciousness and memory?

Best,
Leela
 
Hi All,

Is the soul understood to involve self-consciousness and memory?

Best,
Leela
I think the soul only moves spiritually - it does not DO anything except animate the body’s spirituality, morality/faith/etc.
I think the soul is aware is aware of its state (i.e. moral, holy, sinful, loving, God-fearing etc) but “memory” is a bit vague - remember that even a bodily memory only notes ideas and very small unique events and then the brain interprets these using schema and other information to produce a “memory” - in terms of soul, I expect it knows of its past state (m, h, s, l, Gf etc) which may affect its present and future movement; in this way spiritual development is possible and past religious experiences can still be meaningful.
 
The soul is us.The body is our transportation device while on this earth.Our horse, I guess. The spirit is possibly best described secularly as the psyche.The sum total of all our lifes experiences, and indeed, does seem to possess a consciousness of its own, as does the body.Fortunately, Our Heavanly Father freely gives His Holy Spirit to anybody who asks Him too.Although I am sure there wil be dogmatists who would argue this point.
In essence, we are our soul. Not our body;and not really our spirit.
At the risk of sounding a little heretical, our spirit is like another body. One of an eathereal nature, capable of containing our soul the way our bodies do.A fine example of this are the instances of various Saints exhibiting the charism of bi-location.
I believe that the spirit is emphatically more powerful than the body when it comes to matters of things considered to be of the Kingdom of God.
When Jesus said that God is spirit and those who worship Him should worship Him in spirit,…do you think this means like “school spirit” or actually in ‘the spirit’?
(my metaphysical inquiring mind wants to know!)
 
The soul is us.The body is our transportation device while on this earth.Our horse, I guess. The spirit is possibly best described secularly as the psyche.The sum total of all our lifes experiences, and indeed, does seem to possess a consciousness of its own, as does the body.Fortunately, Our Heavanly Father freely gives His Holy Spirit to anybody who asks Him too.Although I am sure there wil be dogmatists who would argue this point.
In essence, we are our soul. Not our body;and not really our spirit.
At the risk of sounding a little heretical, our spirit is like another body. One of an eathereal nature, capable of containing our soul the way our bodies do.A fine example of this are the instances of various Saints exhibiting the charism of bi-location.
I believe that the spirit is emphatically more powerful than the body when it comes to matters of things considered to be of the Kingdom of God.
When Jesus said that God is spirit and those who worship Him should worship Him in spirit,…do you think this means like “school spirit” or actually in ‘the spirit’?
(my metaphysical inquiring mind wants to know!)
Interesting post. My answer to your question at the end about worship God in spirit is; No, not like school spirit, but actually in spirit like Jesus said. Now what exactly does in spirit mean? Well, I suppose since God is spirit and we are created in Gods image then we should pray from the part of us that is like God. We should get in tune with God with spirit and communicate with Him through spirit. To call it our spirit wouldn’t quite be right because God created spirit and so it belongs to Him. My understanding of the Holy Spirit is the love generated between the Father and Son is so strong that it creates another person or spirit known as the Holy Spirit. We should try to align the spirit in us with the Holy Spirit and pray from there.

I hope you can make sense out of this post.

God bless.
 
Interesting post. My answer to your question at the end about worship God in spirit is; No, not like school spirit, but actually in spirit like Jesus said. Now what exactly does in spirit mean? Well, I suppose since God is spirit and we are created in Gods image then we should pray from the part of us that is like God. We should get in tune with God with spirit and communicate with Him through spirit. To call it our spirit wouldn’t quite be right because God created spirit and so it belongs to Him. My understanding of the Holy Spirit is the love generated between the Father and Son is so strong that it creates another person or spirit known as the Holy Spirit. We should try to align the spirit in us with the Holy Spirit and pray from there.

I hope you can make sense out of this post.

God bless.
I’m in agreeance with you on this point.However, the question that has always concerned me is,“Is this verging on the occult practiceknown as astral projection?”
I believe it was Carl Jung who stated that the human psyche is akin to what we refer to as our spirit.
 
The question about the exact definition of soul, spirit, mind, heart is an excellent one. I’ve been wondering and racking my brains over that for years. I don’t know exactly, but some people in this thread have mentioned things that I know are heresy (or simply … in error)…

Our “Spirit/Soul” is not an extra/alternative etheral body. According to Aquinas, and backed by the Magisterium, I believe, the soul is the “form of the body” (“form” here not just meaning “shape” but the Aristotelian idea … which I admit, I’m confused about). All I know, is that a couple people have tried to separate body and soul in this discussion too much, bordering on Gnosticism, which was an early Church heresy that did just that.

Also, Memory is not an immaterial thing but a material-based collection of past sense images. The Intellect, on the other hand, is an immaterial thing that looks at these material images in our brain and discovers what the MEAN … something that animals can’t do (though animals do have memory … not intellect though).

For what it’s worth, Plato “divided”, or rather, identified, 3 somewhat distinct “powers” of the human soul. They were the Rational (the Mind, we could also say), the Spirited (which he seems to have referred to as higher emotions), and the Passionate (the lower passions, I think). Does this help?

You see, when we say someone has a lot of “spirit” it seems to suggest that they have a lot of energy or life. It sounds very physical sometimes. But also, “Spirit” has very immaterial connotations as well … but of course the Holy Spirit, which is immaterial, is said to give life (and energy?).

The definition of the “Heart” though is the hardest I think. The best that I could come up with is that the Heart is the term we use to talk about our deepest feelings (opposed to superficial emotions and passions), as well as our will (what choices we have made and what we are continuing to choose and to love), and (as suggested in Scripture) even knowledge, but knowledge that is especially important to us. But I might be wrong.

Anyway, thought I just throw that out there. I’d like people’s thoughts on this. And if they’re a Thomist, that’d be even better.
 
The question about the exact definition of soul, spirit, mind, heart is an excellent one. I’ve been wondering and racking my brains over that for years.
Welcome to Catholic Answers Forum (CAF), and thank you for your interest in this thread. It seems the exact definition of soul, spirit, mind, and heart are not set in stone so they are definately up for discussion. Not that we will come to some certain conclusion of the definition, but fun topics to discuss nonetheless.

What if I imagine my heart is like a castle, and my spirit is the cloud my castle sits on? What if the person in my castle is my soul? Where would my mind be? (where is my mind) :ehh:

I know, I know…It seems like I’m in some kind of childrens pretend land, but sometimes these words are easier to define with metaphors.

Don’t worry I’m not part of any dungeon and dragons occult thing. But I do consider myself to be a spiritual warrior in service to the One True King, Christ Jesus.

God bless

ps-not everyone on CAF is as weird as me :jrbirdman: there are some very wise, intelligent, knowledgable, holy people. I’m still working my way up. as you can see I am fairly new to CAF too. I think you have to have like 1001 post before anyone regards you worth listening too. :rotfl: just kidding. I have actually learned a lot since I started on CAF.

Ok- I have gotten way off topic here. Soul, Heart, Spirit, and Mind. What do you think of when you hear these words? How would you define them? What do they mean to you? Anything!!!
 
I browsed some older threads touching this topic and they all kind of danced around the issue, but they were dancing very close to it, and I think eventually, they hit it. They hit something that hit me at least. This is what my theory is … (and I think it’s a pretty good one)

“Spirit” is that which has/gives life.
Always “life” and “spirit” will always go together. God obviously has a Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit), angels have (or rather, are) spirits and they also have life. Humans have a spirit and are living as well. I also claim that animals and plants have spirits because they are also alive. It’s a Thomistic truth (and claimed in the Catechism) that animals and plants have souls (we’ll get to that). But they also have spirit because they are alive. I first thought that might not be the case because oftentimes, “spirit” or at least the word “spiritual” is oftentimes synonymous with immaterial, and animals and plants, though they have souls (materials soul, however, as Aquinas says), they are not immaterial in any way, shape, or form. To get really philosophically, all immaterial substances (correct me anyone if I’m wrong) are living substances, and that covers God, Angels, and … Men (at least kinda). It is true then that all immaterial substances are/have spirits because they are living; I am saying it’s not necessarily the other way around … that all spirits are not necessarily immaterial. Such is the case with animals and plants. To further give evidence, you sometimes hear of “animal spirits” (yes, perhaps in more pagan settings), but you also hear the phrase “he/she has a lot of spirit” indicating that the person has a lot of energy or emotion, which (if I’m not mistaken) are completely material things, and yet termed “spirit.” I could talk more later about this.

“Soul” is the unity of spirit and body
Only humans, animals, and plants have souls. God and angels do not have souls (and this is completely backed by the Church, and is the clearest proof that soul and spirit are different). Matter is dead unless animated by spirit, in which case it is alive, and one such case (or the only case?) is when life-giving spirit is united to matter … which is the very concept of what a soul is (completely Thomistic, I think).

Human have a human spirit in their souls, but in a sense are dead because they don’t have a spirit that gives true life. This true life, the Spirit that gives true life, is of course the Holy Spirit that goes into our souls.

What do you guys think? Heresy? Or sweet-sweet Orthodoxy?
 
“Spirit” is that which has/gives life.
Always “life” and “spirit” will always go together. God obviously has a Spirit (i.e. the Holy Spirit), angels have (or rather, are) spirits and they also have life. Humans have a spirit and are living as well. I also claim that animals and plants have spirits because they are also alive. It’s a Thomistic truth (and claimed in the Catechism) that animals and plants have souls (we’ll get to that). But they also have spirit because they are alive. I first thought that might not be the case because oftentimes, “spirit” or at least the word “spiritual” is oftentimes synonymous with immaterial, and animals and plants, though they have souls (materials soul, however, as Aquinas says), they are not immaterial in any way, shape, or form. To get really philosophically, all immaterial substances (correct me anyone if I’m wrong) are living substances, and that covers God, Angels, and … Men (at least kinda). It is true then that all immaterial substances are/have spirits because they are living; I am saying it’s not necessarily the other way around … that all spirits are not necessarily immaterial. Such is the case with animals and plants. To further give evidence, you sometimes hear of “animal spirits” (yes, perhaps in more pagan settings), but you also hear the phrase “he/she has a lot of spirit” indicating that the person has a lot of energy or emotion, which (if I’m not mistaken) are completely material things, and yet termed “spirit.” I could talk more later about this.
Would the dimension of spirit be everywhere and perhaps parallel to our observable universe?
“Soul” is the unity of spirit and body
Only humans, animals, and plants have souls. God and angels do not have souls (and this is completely backed by the Church, and is the clearest proof that soul and spirit are different). Matter is dead unless animated by spirit, in which case it is alive, and one such case (or the only case?) is when life-giving spirit is united to matter … which is the very concept of what a soul is (completely Thomistic, I think).

Human have a human spirit in their souls, but in a sense are dead because they don’t have a spirit that gives true life. This true life, the Spirit that gives true life, is of course the Holy Spirit that goes into our souls.
It would seem the Holy Spirit can go in and replace our human spirit…or at least part of our human spirit. Some people may have more of the Holy Spirit in them depending on their state of grace.
 
Would the dimension of spirit be everywhere and perhaps parallel to our observable universe?

It would seem the Holy Spirit can go in and replace our human spirit…or at least part of our human spirit. Some people may have more of the Holy Spirit in them depending on their state of grace.
Would the Holy Spirit replace our human spirit? Hmm. Good question. It says (Galatians 2:20) that “I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.” And that would seem to indicate that the human spirit is actually replaced, in some sense, by the Spirit of God. Also, John the Baptist says in reference to Christ (John 3:30) that "He must increase that I might decrease. You could maybe also say that we are to give up our spirit when we are in a sense crucified throughout our lives (when we meet trials and so forth), just as Christ gave up his Spirit on the Cross. On the other hand, maybe our human spirit isn’t actually replaced but merely resurrected in harmony with the Holy Spirit. I have no idea. We need to a theologian on this.

I assume, when you ask about “dimensions” of a spirit, you are talking about spacial, quantifiable measurements of the spirit. My inclination is to probably say no … but, on the other hand, you could say that is particular spirit is “here and not there” depending on where’s it acting or simply doing something in the physical universe. Aquinas says the soul is the act of the body, and so you could say that your spirit is, to say the least, where your body happens to be at the time. Also, for purely immaterial spirits (angels and demons), when they act in a physical location in the universe, they are said to actually be there as well (Aquinas says this). So, therefore we could assign some kind of quasi-dimensionality to them.

But then there is the interesting question of bilocation and other such topics. First of all, you mentioned something about astral projection. It seems to be the case (this is my private philosphical and theological speculation) that astral projection and what we call bilocation are very similar, except that bilocation (the thing we see with certain saints) is sanctioned and guided by the Holy Spirit. Astral Projection seems to be possible and manifests itself much like bilocation sometimes (it sends your consciousness far away from you body, and can even produce a life-like representation of your body … an “ethereal” body perhaps … who knows). When someone practices astral projection they become more conscious and can perceive more clearly the spiritual realities around us and can run into other “travellers” along the way, either other Astral Projectors or Angels or Demons. The reason why Astral Projection is condemned by the Church is that you throw yourself into, as it were, a “spiritual ghetto” where demonic spirits can take advantage of you, as you have put yourself into a very vulnerable, sensitive spiritual state. It can mess you up. Bilocation seems to be the term we use for saints (or very spiritual and holy people) moved by the Holy Spirit to do this exact same thing, except, it’s the Holy Spirit that’s guiding and protecting them from malignant forces. Padre Pio, when asked if he could explain what was happening when he bilocated, said something like, “My being was extended.” (I might be wrong. I heard this somewhere.) If something can be extended, it can therefore, in theory, be measured spacially. So, if his spirit was acting in that faraway location, and we say that a spirit is “there” when it’s acting “there,” then we could possibly attribute dimensionality to a spirit in a vague and perhaps somewhat unmeasurable way (I guess). I might be wrong about all this. Any thoughts?
 
In Matthew 37: we are to love God with all our heart, all our soul and all our mind. Christ used these terms about our make-up. And it was at the first Pentecost that the Spirit descended on the Apostles… giving them understanding, strength and mission.

If the heart, soul and mind are meant to love God, can they individually do so? (Although then it would be partial and not with all of our being). Spirit, I still consider in God’s domain (the Kingdom of Heaven)… However, If the Holy Spirit on Pentecost can “energize” the Apostles, so as the understanding feeds the mind; the strength feeds the heart; and the mission feeds the soul… all the bases are covered. Once “sparked” by the Spirit, does the battery last till the body dies? It did for the Apostles. And (as I believe) the Holy Spirit is Love, the love that follows the initial spark keeps growing by mutual admiration.

Our use of the the term spirit could be looked at as Gifts of the Holy Spirit that we receive, and develop and use in our being while here on earth. So as, it can show in all our various parts of heart, soul and mind… just like having a friend over for dinner, they are at your table, in your house, socializing with you… but you and they are separate beings. So, for me, the spirit and soul are not the same thing, but are like friends.
 
God breathed the Spirit into Adam giving him life. I would assume since the Spirit came from God it would have been the Holy Spirit. When Adam sinned the Spirit was possibly taken from him, and the Spirit wasn’t made available for humans again until Jesus. This being the case, the only true Spirit would be the Holy Spirit. Without the Holy Spirit we are just mind, body, and soul. With the Holy Spirit we have Spirit with us and in us but not part of us. Like Michael David said “the spirit and soul are not the same thing, but are like friends”. The Spirit is our helper and protector.

Perhaps a spirit like dimension exist in which angels and demons battle for our soul. As long as we keep the Holy Spirit with us we are safe.

As for a human spirit, I am now starting to wonder if their is such a thing.
 
I have read somewhere that weight measurements were taken of dying persons before and after their deaths.The body was lighter by a measurable amount.Which seemed to indicate that the spirit did possess a quantifiable measurement.Or would that have been the soul?
I don’t remember where I read it.So, I can’t offer any reference.But, it seems to be rationally acceptable.
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From a review of this thread it looks like no one knows what the soul is. That makes the question of what the spirit is irrelevant, but no matter since no one seems to know what that is either.

Curious, isn’t it, that the entity we are all pushing to get into heaven or keep out of hell is not clearly defined.

The 17th century philosopher/mathematician Rene Descartes defined soul as mind. It makes sense. Must not the entity which gets rewarded or punished for actions be the same entity which controlled the actions. What is this but mind?

Put another way, would you particularly care if promised that in return for living a good life, your gall bladder would go to heaven?

Memory is part of the package. What would be the point of your going to heaven or hell without any idea of how you got there?

Mind involves, among other factors, both memory and consciousness. A meaningful afterlife would seem to require both. What would be the point of going to heaven in a coma?
 
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