Is there a name for this posture....hands clasped

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Is there a term or expression for hands clasped together, pointed at about a 45 degree angle, with fingers extended and thumbs crossed.

Contrast that with people just crossing all of their fingers when they put their hands together.

I want to know if either of these has names.

Does anyone know the history of these postures? I know all of the priests and altar men and boys in my traditional, orthodox parish have their hands clasped in the first example. I was taught years ago to go up for communion with my hands like that.
 
Diane,

I don’t know if there is an ‘official’ title for either, although the first description is referred to as ‘the praying hands’



I don’t know if the story is true, but here’s the story (supposedly) about how this picture came to be:

Back in the fifteenth century, in a tiny village near Nuremberg, lived a family with eighteen children. Eighteen! In order merely to keep food on the table for this mob, the father and head of the household, a goldsmith by profession, worked almost eighteen hours a day at his trade and any other paying chore he could find in the neighborhood.

Despite their seemingly hopeless condition, two of Albrecht Durer the Elder’s children had a dream. They both wanted to pursue their talent for art, but they knew full well that their father would never be financially able to send either of them to Nuremberg to study at the Academy.

After many long discussions at night in their crowded bed, the two boys finally worked out a pact. They would toss a coin. The loser would go down into the nearby mines and, with his earnings, support his brother while he attended the academy. Then, when that brother who won the toss completed his studies, in four years, he would support the other brother at the academy, either with sales of his artwork or, if necessary, also by laboring in the mines.

They tossed a coin on a Sunday morning after church. Albrecht Durer won the toss and went off to Nuremberg.

Albert went down into the dangerous mines and, for the next four years, financed his brother, whose work at the academy was almost an immediate sensation. Albrecht’s etchings, his woodcuts, and his oils were far better than those of most of his professors, and by the time he graduated, he was beginning to earn considerable fees for his commissioned works.

When the young artist returned to his village, the Durer family held a festive dinner on their lawn to celebrate Albrecht’s triumphant homecoming. After a long and memorable meal, punctuated with music and laughter, Albrecht rose from his honored position at the head of the table to drink a toast to his beloved brother for the years of sacrifice that had enabled Albrecht to fulfill his ambition. His closing words were, “And now, Albert, blessed brother of mine, now it is your turn. Now you can go to Nuremberg to pursue your dream, and I will take care of you.”

All heads turned in eager expectation to the far end of the table where Albert sat, tears streaming down his pale face, shaking his lowered head from side to side while he sobbed and repeated, over and over, “No …no …no …no.”

Finally, Albert rose and wiped the tears from his cheeks. He glanced down the long table at the faces he loved, and then, holding his hands close to his right cheek, he said softly, “No, brother. I cannot go to Nuremberg. It is too late for me. Look … look what four years in the mines have done to my hands! The bones in every finger have been smashed at least once, and lately I have been suffering from arthritis so badly in my right hand that I cannot even hold a glass to return your toast, much less make delicate lines on parchment or canvas with a pen or a brush. No, brother … for me it is too late.”

More than 450 years have passed. By now, Albrecht Durer’s hundreds of masterful portraits, pen and silver-point sketches, watercolors, charcoals, woodcuts, and copper engravings hang in every great museum in the world, but the odds are great that you, like most people, are familiar with only one of Albrecht Durer’s works. More than merely being familiar with it, you very well may have a reproduction hanging in your home or office.

One day, to pay homage to Albert for all that he had sacrificed, Albrecht Durer painstakingly drew his brother’s abused hands with palms together and thin fingers stretched skyward. He called his powerful drawing simply “Hands,” but the entire world almost immediately opened their hearts to his great masterpiece and renamed his tribute of love “The Praying Hands.”

The next time you see a copy of that touching creation, take a second look. Let it be your reminder, if you still need one, that no one - no one - - ever makes it alone! ~Source Unknown~

I too was taught this posture (as opposed to the ‘clasped hands’).
It’s unfortunate to see so many people walk up to receive communion as if they were out for a daily jaunt. (OK, I won’t go there).
 
From what I was taught in a history course, this particular posture was used during the feudal days. When a serf would be granted land by his feudal lord, he would kneel before him with his hands in this position. The feudal lord would then clasp his hands around the serfs hands. This represented a two-way agreement: the serf vowed to essentially belong to the lord, while the lord vowed to protect the serf. That’s the Cliffs notes version, anyway.

Now, it’s possible that the posture existed prior to that and was just adapted for the practice I noted above.
 
I have loved this story since I first heard it. One of the local news stations ran a series of stories for an entire week about an upcoming holiday (can’t remember if it was Christmas or Easter), and this was one of the stories.

It always makes me cry.

Thank you Patricia for posting this response.

Maggie
 
when I was a kid, it meant that Catholics prayed with their fingers pointed up, and Protestants prayed with hands more in a joint fist, but that was along time ago
 
I don’t know the specific name for this posture…but I feel it is the proper and most reverant prayer posture we can use…a heck of a lot better than that goofy orans posture.
 
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dumspirospero:
goofy orans posture.
hehehe!
If I said that, I would get sooo slammed here!
Spot on!
 
Oh…don’t worry…just wait…once my post is read, I will get flamed…but that is my honest opinion…Like that new Van Zant song says “It is better to be hated for who you are, than be loved for who you’re not.”
netmil(name removed by moderator):
hehehe!
If I said that, I would get sooo slammed here!
Spot on!
 
Scotty PGH:
From what I was taught in a history course, this particular posture was used during the feudal days. When a serf would be granted land by his feudal lord, he would kneel before him with his hands in this position. The feudal lord would then clasp his hands around the serfs hands. This represented a two-way agreement: the serf vowed to essentially belong to the lord, while the lord vowed to protect the serf. That’s the Cliffs notes version, anyway.

Now, it’s possible that the posture existed prior to that and was just adapted for the practice I noted above.
In the Confraternity of Penitents, when we make our profession, this is exactly the gesture used. Our rule was written in 1221. If you see films of the Coronation of Queen Elizabeth II, after she receives the crown, first Prince Philip, then the Prime Minister, then other “notables” profess their fealty in this way.

I have heard that hand position – palms together, fingers pointing up – referred to as the ‘flame’ position because your hands resemble a flame rising toward God. I don’t know how reliable that is.

I believe the other position – with fingers interlocked – may have derived from the soldier’s gesture of clasping his right wrist with this left hand to show that he was not drawing his sword. I do not recall where I heard/saw any of this but it was on an Internet “grope” a couple of years ago.
 
From “The Spirit of the Liturgy” by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger

“A later development was the gesture of praying with hands joined. This comes from the world of feudalism. The recipient of a feudal estate, on taking tenure, placed his joined hands in those of his lord - a wonderful symbolic act. I lay my ands in yours, allow yours to enclose mine. This is an expression of trust as well as fidelity.”

and

“This, then, is what is meant when we join our hands to pray: we are placing our hands in his, and with our hands we place in his hands our personal destiny. Trusting in his fidelity, we pledge our fidelity to him.”
 
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dumspirospero:
Oh…don’t worry…just wait…once my post is read, I will get flamed…but that is my honest opinion…Like that new Van Zant song says “It is better to be hated for who you are, than be loved for who you’re not.”
May I add that quote to my tagline?
I’m still being whipped in the Holding Hands for the Our Father thread!
I needed this!
 
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dumspirospero:
Oh…don’t worry…just wait…once my post is read, I will get flamed…but that is my honest opinion…Like that new Van Zant song says “It is better to be hated for who you are, than be loved for who you’re not.”
But it is even better to be in conformity to Truth.
 
Yes…by all means, please do…🙂 P.S…if you need any backup over there, let me know 🙂
netmil(name removed by moderator):
May I add that quote to my tagline?
I’m still being whipped in the Holding Hands for the Our Father thread!
I needed this!
 
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