Is there even such thing as "nothing" or "nowhere"?

[roseproject]

Even when there was nothing created yet, God was always there. So, is there ever such a thing as “nothing”? Take, for an example, the death of an animal. We believe their souls are not eternal. They die along with their bodies. They go “nowhere” after death. How can there be “nowhere” or a state where nothing “is” if God himself “Is”? Is “nowhere” a state where God is not there…but isn’t God everywhere? What is the difference between “existence” and “non-existence” if God was there before anything “existed” but Him?

Thanks in advance

 

[ChainBreaker]

Even when there was nothing created yet, God was always there. So, is there ever such a thing as “nothing”? Take, for an example, the death of an animal. We believe their souls are not eternal. They die along with their bodies. They go “nowhere” after death. How can there be “nowhere” or a state where nothing “is” if God himself “Is”? Is “nowhere” a state where God is not there…but isn’t God everywhere? What is the difference between “existence” and “non-existence” if God was there before anything “existed” but Him?

Thanks in advance

There is no before creation. Before is a temporal concept.

The universe has always existed with God and so have we in the eternal now. But because we are temporal beings we see things as having a before and after and a beginning. This is difficult to wrap ones head around. The theory of relativity provides an essentially flawed but good analogy for how that might look.

Nothing is a comparative concept. It is not a nature. It has no ontology. In comparison to somebody that has a bike i have no-bike. “There is no-bike in the room” is equal to “Something that has the nature of a bike is not present in the room”. There is nothing in the room simply means that only the room exists, not that an actual being called “nothing” is in the room.

The past still exists, it just exists in the past.

 

[GEddie]

Nothing and nowhere exist, but only as mental counters, like the zero of mathematics.

AFAIUC.

ICXC NIKA

 

[ClearWater]

DANG! You got me! I don’t know. This is WAY beyond me, over my head!

 

[Linusthe2nd]

Even when there was nothing created yet, God was always there. So, is there ever such a thing as “nothing”? Take, for an example, the death of an animal. We believe their souls are not eternal. They die along with their bodies. They go “nowhere” after death. How can there be “nowhere” or a state where nothing “is” if God himself “Is”? Is “nowhere” a state where God is not there…but isn’t God everywhere? What is the difference between “existence” and “non-existence” if God was there before anything “existed” but Him?

Thanks in advance

God has always existed eventhough the universe has not always existed. And when it did not exist, there was only God. " Nothing " in regard creation means that before creation no beings existed except God. He was alone.

God always had us and the universe as ideas in his mind, but these were not realities with exsitence.

Linus2nd

 

[Bob_Crowley]

Even when there was nothing created yet, God was always there. So, is there ever such a thing as “nothing”? Take, for an example, the death of an animal. We believe their souls are not eternal. They die along with their bodies. They go “nowhere” after death. How can there be “nowhere” or a state where nothing “is” if God himself “Is”? Is “nowhere” a state where God is not there…but isn’t God everywhere? What is the difference between “existence” and “non-existence” if God was there before anything “existed” but Him?

Thanks in advance

The souls of the animals go back to God. What happens then is up to Him. They don’t go back to “nothing”.

Since God has always existed, there has never been a time when there was “nothing”, since there has always been a spiritual world if not a physical one.

When the universe disappears at the Second Coming, it will vanish. But it won’t be replaced by “nothing”. What will then intrude in overwhelming fashion will be Christ on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:30 NIV

Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.

There’s never been a time when there hasn’t been “something”.

 

[PseuTonym]

The past still exists, it just exists in the past.

That is an interesting statement. Do you agree with the following?

Some traces of the past exist now.
However, reality includes the whole of the past.

We still have the word “includes”, but it is like “equals.” We say things like “two plus two equals four.” We do not usually consider it necessary to also specify:

1. Two plus two will equal four in future.
2. Two plus two used to equal four in the past.

 

[GEddie]

That is an interesting statement. Do you agree with the following?

Some traces of the past exist now.
However, reality includes the whole of the past.

We still have the word “includes”, but it is like “equals.” We say things like “two plus two equals four.” We do not usually consider it necessary to also specify:

1. Two plus two will equal four in future.
2. Two plus two used to equal four in the past.

The idea of a mathematics that changes in time would negate mathematics itself.

That is because time is numerical, and mathematics is the area of human thinking that uses numbers.

ICXC NIKA

 

[PseuTonym]

The idea of a mathematics that changes in time would negate mathematics itself.

That is because time is numerical, and mathematics is the area of human thinking that uses numbers.

ICXC NIKA

I agree. That is why I introduced my “will equal” and “used to equal” statements with:
“We do not usually consider it necessary to also specify.”

The first part of the statement “The past still exists” reminds me of:
“He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living.”

Now, after “He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living” …

… we could imagine being told “He is the God of the past, and in the past they are still living.” That would be an anticlimax.

 

[Bahman]

Even when there was nothing created yet, God was always there. So, is there ever such a thing as “nothing”? Take, for an example, the death of an animal. We believe their souls are not eternal. They die along with their bodies. They go “nowhere” after death. How can there be “nowhere” or a state where nothing “is” if God himself “Is”? Is “nowhere” a state where God is not there…but isn’t God everywhere? What is the difference between “existence” and “non-existence” if God was there before anything “existed” but Him?

Thanks in advance

Yes, the place that you came from was nowhere. Nothing however cannot exist.