Is this a heresy, and if so, which one?

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I was reading an article on Catholic World Report (link at bottom) by Dr. José Durand Mendioroz, entitled, “A Layman Responds to Cardinal Kasper’s Proposal, Part II.”

Under the heading, “The conditions to receive sacramental Communion,” Cardinal Kasper begins:

“If a divorced and remarried…”

and Dr. Mendioroz begins parsing this:

"We should be precise in the terms employed in order to avoid misconstruing their real significations by “slippage in meaning.”

"The first condition cited here is remarkably imprecise, inasmuch as it refers to two realities in the civil sphere, while what interests us here is the religious sphere, in which neither divorce nor remarriage once divorced is possible. The formulation needs to utilize appropriate, fitting terms; if a “divorcee” had never contracted a sacramental marriage, it would be of no interest to us in the matter being analyzed.

“Moreover, one should not facilitate an equivocation—even an unconscious one—between sacramental and civil marriage, due to their distinct natures and effects and to the institutional precariousness of civil marriage…”

So after several of these types of examples, it seems to come down to this: Cardinal Kasper is using common, civil law terminology when he should be using canon law terminology. He’s not speaking or thinking as a representative of the Church to the people, but rather as a representative of the people to the Church.

This seems to be almost a fault line in the Church today, the difference between “liberal” and “conservative” clergy & laypeople. Is there an historical heresy here that we can point to that would help to better define it?

catholicworldreport.com/Item/3910/a_layman_responds_to_cardinal_kaspers_proposal_part_ii.aspx
 
This seems to be almost a fault line in the Church today, the difference between “liberal” and “conservative” clergy & laypeople. Is there an historical heresy here that we can point to that would help to better define it?

catholicworldreport.com/Item/3910/a_layman_responds_to_cardinal_kaspers_proposal_part_ii.aspx
Heresy? No. But it is a temptation the Church has had to fight since the very beginning. The temptation to give in to the world. To put the praises and approval of men above serving God. Israel had the exact same problem.

There’s always been those who have thought they can have the best of both worlds and have tried to bend Church teaching to their will. They never succeed.
 
I was reading an article on Catholic World Report (link at bottom) by Dr. José Durand Mendioroz, entitled, “A Layman Responds to Cardinal Kasper’s Proposal, Part II.”

Under the heading, “The conditions to receive sacramental Communion,” Cardinal Kasper begins:

“If a divorced and remarried…”

and Dr. Mendioroz begins parsing this:

"We should be precise in the terms employed in order to avoid misconstruing their real significations by “slippage in meaning.”

"The first condition cited here is remarkably imprecise, inasmuch as it refers to two realities in the civil sphere, while what interests us here is the religious sphere, in which neither divorce nor remarriage once divorced is possible. The formulation needs to utilize appropriate, fitting terms; if a “divorcee” had never contracted a sacramental marriage, it would be of no interest to us in the matter being analyzed.

“Moreover, one should not facilitate an equivocation—even an unconscious one—between sacramental and civil marriage, due to their distinct natures and effects and to the institutional precariousness of civil marriage…”

So after several of these types of examples, it seems to come down to this: Cardinal Kasper is using common, civil law terminology when he should be using canon law terminology. He’s not speaking or thinking as a representative of the Church to the people, but rather as a representative of the people to the Church.

This seems to be almost a fault line in the Church today, the difference between “liberal” and “conservative” clergy & laypeople. Is there an historical heresy here that we can point to that would help to better define it?

catholicworldreport.com/Item/3910/a_layman_responds_to_cardinal_kaspers_proposal_part_ii.aspx
Your question is very imprecise. What exactly are you objecting to? What is the exact statement the Cardinal made which you think is heretical? Accusations such as this should be made with great caution and should be made by competent authorities. On the other hand, after serious reflection and study of the matter, we, as laymen must make up our own minds at our personal level and live accordingly. I don’t think this means we need to get up on a soap box, but we can certainly caution our families. But I think really that we should present our quesions to our local bishop first. Even then the final decision is our own. But great caution must be used and charity.

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Your question is very imprecise. What exactly are you objecting to? What is the exact statement the Cardinal made which you think is heretical? Accusations such as this should be made with great caution and should be made by competent authorities. On the other hand, after serious reflection and study of the matter, we, as laymen must make up our own minds at our personal level and live accordingly. I don’t think this means we need to get up on a soap box, but we can certainly caution our families. But I think really that we should present our quesions to our local bishop first. Even then the final decision is our own. But great caution must be used and charity.

Linus2nd
I think my post is pretty clear. The Cardinal starts by talking about “a divorced and remarried” which the author of the article, Dr. Mendioroz, takes him to task for. He says the language is that of the civil sphere, whereas the discussion needs to be in the religious sphere. That seems as though it could definitely lead the Church astray if left unchecked. My question is whether this is indicative of anything historically which has been defined by the Church as heresy. If not, then not, but it’s a question, not an accusation, and this is a forum for discussion. This is such a serious topic that several Cardinals, including Cardinal Burke, felt the need to write a book defining Church teaching on marriage. It’s on all the Catholic media ahead of the upcoming 14th Ordinary General Assembly of the Synod of Bishops. Actually the whole world is watching to see if the Church will change or adjust her teaching in order to be “pastoral” or “inclusive.” The world sees this as a test of Pope Francis’ “new tone” for the Church. So it’s already gone way beyond being a question for our local bishop.
 
In Luke 16:18 Jesus said “Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery."

So, that is taught by Jesus Himself and hence it is a Truth of The Church to bevelieved with divine and Catholic Faith.

Canon. 751 states that Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith.

It does Not seem to be a particularly cloudy or ambiguous issue.
 
Canon. 751 states that Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith.

It does Not seem to be a particularly cloudy or ambiguous issue.
Wow, so it would seem that a great number of Catholics who believe they can “dissent” from the Magisterium are heretics.
 
Ignatius;13018943:
In Luke 16:18 Jesus said “Every one who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery, and he who marries a woman divorced from her husband commits adultery
."

So, that is taught by Jesus Himself and hence it is a Truth of The Church to bevelieved with divine and Catholic Faith.

Canon. 751 states that Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith.

It does Not seem to be a particularly cloudy or ambiguous issue.

. . . Catholics who believe they can “dissent” from the Magisterium . . . .
Actually, as you’ll notice, that is the teaching of Jesus Himself, the Church has no authority whatsoever to alter any teaching that comes directly from Jesus.

Where you not aware that Jesus said this? Did you not know about this Scripture verse? There are innumerable corroborating passages in the Bible.

If you look up the teaching in you Catechism of The Catholic Church, it will give the Scriptural references for it and other teachings.

If you sincerely want to follow Christ and His Church it would be a good idea to read through The Catechism a couple of times.

You can get one for very little cost. There are used ones available for a under $1.
amazon.com/Catechism-Catholic-Church-U-S/dp/0385479670
 
Actually, as you’ll notice, that is the teaching of Jesus Himself, the Church has no authority whatsoever to alter any teaching that comes directly from Jesus.

Where you not aware that Jesus said this? Did you not know about this Scripture verse? There are innumerable corroborating passages in the Bible.

If you look up the teaching in you Catechism of The Catholic Church, it will give the Scriptural references for it and other teachings.

If you sincerely want to follow Christ and His Church it would be a good idea to read through The Catechism a couple of times.

You can get one for very little cost. There are used ones available for a under $1.
amazon.com/Catechism-Catholic-Church-U-S/dp/0385479670
Since you think this is very black and white, based on readings of the Scripture and the Catechism, can we conclude that Cardinal Kasper is heretical in his approach?
 
Ignatius;13024219:
Actually, as you’ll notice, that is the teaching of Jesus Himself, the Church has no authority whatsoever to alter any teaching that comes directly from Jesus.

Where you not aware that Jesus said this? Did you not know about this Scripture verse? There are innumerable corroborating passages in the Bible.

If you look up the teaching in you Catechism of The Catholic Church, it will give the Scriptural references for it and other teachings.

If you sincerely want to follow Christ and His Church it would be a good idea to read through The Catechism a couple of times.

You can get one for very little cost. There are used ones available for a under $1.
amazon.com/Catechism-Catholic-Church-U-S/dp/0385479670
Since you think this is very black and white, based on readings of the Scripture and the Catechism, can we conclude that Cardinal Kasper is heretical in his approach?
I don’t think it is your place to decide such matters. At any rate, Cdl. Kasper is backtracking on his position, see here:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=13024306&postcount=1
 
Wow, so it would seem that a great number of Catholics who believe they can “dissent” from the Magisterium are heretics.
A great number of “Catholics” do dissent from the Magisterium. More than half of the people who call themselves Catholic think same sex unions are OK, more than 80% think artificial contraception is OK, just about half think abortion is OK.

So, yes, there are many heretics who call themselves “Catholic”.
 
It’s not a heresy to say that “people can be divorced” if you are using the word divorce in a civil sense - that’s just stating the truth, even if it is meaningless from a religious point of view. It’d be like writing “If a sin is committed in Sydney rather than in Melbourne…”

It would be a heresy to argue that the church recognises civil divorces, but we shouldn’t conclude that that’s what the writer means.
 
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