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Sounds very responsible and brave but that’s not a choice you get to make. How do you appear at the each and every particular judgement of everyone you have ever given advice to?
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AlanFromWichita
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You’re the one who asked the question. You didn’t tell me it was a trick question, so I answered it honestly.
See if this makes it clearer.
“Dear Lord of heaven and earth, If I post something that makes others on the forums sin, I pray that you may administer swift justice as You will, up to and including eternal punishment for me. Not my will, but Yours be done. Amen.”
Unlike what some may do, I don’t go around telling people to do things that I wouldn’t do with Jesus looking right at me. I don’t understand why that isn’t axiomatic among us.
I also don’t understand why you don’t think my prayers to God mean anything when another is under judgment. Do you pray for souls in purgatory? If so, why?
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Job42
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I will admit to being a fence-sitter here…
I see the validity of both sides. I like all kinds of secular music but I recognize that a significant portion of it is a tool of the Evil One. Rap tends to get more negative attention only because it tends to be more straightforward, although it can often be quite cryptic as well.
Ultimately I would like to follow the Lord 24/7 and drop all secular stuff but I guess I am weak and I like my music and my lifestyle. Plus I am not fully convinced that secular music is a bad thing to listen to as a lot of good Catholics I know listen to some obviously anti-Christian artists that I would never listen to for example Marilyn Manson, which shows me that you can be a good Christian and a good person and still listen to such music.
I guess my point is that I would like to make this change in my life without becoming a “holier than thou” person or more of such a person than I already am. I would still like to listen to religious music such as contemporary Christian, black gospel, hymns, Christian rap, etc. But I am still a fence-sitter and prayers for courage and wisdom one way or the other would be appreciated (and also I hope this post helps the OP in some way.)
I see the validity of both sides. I like all kinds of secular music but I recognize that a significant portion of it is a tool of the Evil One. Rap tends to get more negative attention only because it tends to be more straightforward, although it can often be quite cryptic as well.
Ultimately I would like to follow the Lord 24/7 and drop all secular stuff but I guess I am weak and I like my music and my lifestyle. Plus I am not fully convinced that secular music is a bad thing to listen to as a lot of good Catholics I know listen to some obviously anti-Christian artists that I would never listen to for example Marilyn Manson, which shows me that you can be a good Christian and a good person and still listen to such music.
I guess my point is that I would like to make this change in my life without becoming a “holier than thou” person or more of such a person than I already am. I would still like to listen to religious music such as contemporary Christian, black gospel, hymns, Christian rap, etc. But I am still a fence-sitter and prayers for courage and wisdom one way or the other would be appreciated (and also I hope this post helps the OP in some way.)
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This comes across as very unwholesome. I won’t go there with you…
Because it depends on God.
Yes I do pray for the holy souls in purgatory as the Church taught me:** ‘so that they may be loosed from their sins.’**
Just helping those who can’'t help themselves. (But they can help us).
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AlanFromWichita
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- Again, you’re the one who asked for it. I guess it was another trick question.
- I know you won’t go there with me. You are going through logical pretzels to continue to tell me I’m wrong when I’m not. Why would I expect you to stand up for me in any case, including the times I sin because of something you told me?
Here is one of those pretzels I told you about. You ask, would I stand with you before God and take responsibility for my part in your actions, and I say yes I would. Then you say I can’t appear with you before the Lord, because it isn’t possible. OK, so I reword it so that I’m taking responsibility RIGHT NOW for anything wrong I may tell you, and you don’t like that because it’s “unwholesome” and that you would not similarly take responsibility for your own words. What, pray tell, are you trying to get me to say – why don’t you just tell me and I’ll agree or not. But if you prefer this method, I’m game at least for now.
It’s like a scavenger hunt where I’m trying to find the logical conclusion to a labyrinth of nearly unrelated loaded statements. All I have to do is follow that part which insults me and soon I’ll get to the prize – and what’ll it be?
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Alan, some of us communicate like that: In hints hoping that others get it without being in their face…
who we are in addition to trying being polite, understanding, etc.
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You are most welcome!**Thank you for acknowledging my concern, and for explaining this.**
Trying to be…Thanks!..Above all, if it is true humility, Thank Him! He is the humble one: He, being God, becoming man…Your wording suggests to me that you are a person of humility.
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AlanFromWichita
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After thousands of posts over several years on multiple forums, I have come to the conclusion that words – human words – are of no meaning to the spirit, except in that they are congruent with the spirit of the person uttering them.
For example, you say, “Oh, blankity-blank! It’s been so long!”
Compare that to, “You are acting just like a blankety-blank!”
The first one is apparently a greeting and is intended to convey warm wishes between close friends. The second one could be any of a number of things, but it looks to me like it’s an insult.
I say the second one is a sin, but not the first one.
That’s because the words are not at fault. The heart of the sayer is at fault.
Think about it. How can a word be intrinsically harmful if the majority of the people who don’t know the language it’s written in, are not affected by it?
You see, if we were truly innocent, we wouldn’t even recognize these words as harmful, and we could make a purer judgment on the basis of spirit rather than vocabulary.
Jesus called some people a “brood of vipers!” What does that mean? SON of a SNAKE! is what he called them. How is that any better than the term we use now – like as in calling someone the son of a dog, meaning either that you are an animal or at least you came from one.
So if we call somebody a SOB, does that automatically mean we’ve sinned? Well, either Jesus sinned by calling others a derogatory name, making him not perfect, or calling a derogatory name must not automatically be a sin.
Alan
For example, you say, “Oh, blankity-blank! It’s been so long!”
Compare that to, “You are acting just like a blankety-blank!”
The first one is apparently a greeting and is intended to convey warm wishes between close friends. The second one could be any of a number of things, but it looks to me like it’s an insult.
I say the second one is a sin, but not the first one.
That’s because the words are not at fault. The heart of the sayer is at fault.
Think about it. How can a word be intrinsically harmful if the majority of the people who don’t know the language it’s written in, are not affected by it?
You see, if we were truly innocent, we wouldn’t even recognize these words as harmful, and we could make a purer judgment on the basis of spirit rather than vocabulary.
Jesus called some people a “brood of vipers!” What does that mean? SON of a SNAKE! is what he called them. How is that any better than the term we use now – like as in calling someone the son of a dog, meaning either that you are an animal or at least you came from one.
So if we call somebody a SOB, does that automatically mean we’ve sinned? Well, either Jesus sinned by calling others a derogatory name, making him not perfect, or calling a derogatory name must not automatically be a sin.
Alan
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Bballer32
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Hey bro how’s it going again!
You know i still play COD but i really don’t listen to rap anymore… As long as the swearing is not used to offend anyone or used a lot, and i mean a lot, than it’s only venial. Plus, if your old enough to handle the video games language than your fine
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