Is this already a well-known argument against abortion?

[CeaselessMedik]

has anyone made the argument well-known that even if fetuses/zygotes weren’t people, it would be wrong to kill something that would become a person?

 

[Alexander_Smith]

has anyone made the argument well-known that even if fetuses/zygotes weren’t people, it would be wrong to kill something that would become a person?

I’ve often thought this myself. While it’s not the most powerful argument, it still is a good one.

 

[CeaselessMedik]

but what i’m asking is whether it’s being spread. my ocd is mandating i devote my time to spreading this i it’s not already out there D:

 

[VetA]

but what i’m asking is whether it’s being spread. my ocd is mandating i devote my time to spreading this i it’s not already out there D:

if it is or it isnt is irrelevant, just spread it like it is a matter of fact.

 

[catholictiger]

I think the bet argument against abortion is the life arugument

people who have trained me to debate pro life issues told me this analogy once.

if my son came up to me while i was washing dishes and asked “dad can I kill this” you wouldn’t answer yes or no till you knew what he was about to kill. If it was a cockroach I would say “yes kill it” but if it was his sister then I say “no no you can’t kill your sister” If i didn’t know what he was about to kill then I could have easily said yes to killing his sister or no to killing a cockroach.

this is the same thing with abortion you must get the people you are having dialogue with to answer what is the unborn child many people don’t know and the many people who don’t know will change their views as soon as they see that the unborn child is a human.

this method is better known as trotting out the toddler

you won’t always convert them but you will many times plant a seed them that will convert them down the road.

 

[Big_Dummy]

Ask the person who claims the “fetus” is not a person, when do they become a person? What defines them as being a person and why? What about the unique human, person DNA? When do they believe ensoulment occurrs and what is their proof? Why is it illegal to destroy an Eagle egg? Is not that Egg, not an Eagle? or is it a potentual Eagle? Why does not the same rules defining an Eagle apply to defining a human or person? Why or Why not?
Has a human fetus become anything other then a human, person?

When you ask such a person a series of why, how, when questions like a three year old would ask, they will in the end result in a series of contradictions which you can exploit by asking more follow up questions.

The bottom line an honest person would admit that they are not God and do not know exactly when a person becomes a person, what defines being a person and that it is not wise to play God by ending that which may or may not be a person, but will or is a person.



From the Bible adopt the Traducian view of the soul as a means of showing that ensoulment occurs at conception. Yes, even in this view God is the ultimate creator of souls.

trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=56

google.com/#hl=en&q=Traducian+abortion&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&fp=634be7f9c98ae18c

Tertullian (c.160-c.225), for instance, wrote “we allow that life begins with conception, because we contend that the soul also begins from conception; life taking its commencement at the same moment and place that the soul does.”[8] Clement of Alexandria held the same view, holding that “the seed being deposited, the spirit, which is in the seed, is, so to speak, appropriated, and is thus assumed into conjunction in the process of formation.”[9]
The Traducianist view was also held by Gregory of Nyssa (335-c.394) and Maximus the Confessor (c.580-662). The latter’s argument was based on the example of Christ, who was fully human and fully divine from the first moment of his conception—implying that he possessed a spiritual soul from that instant. Since Christ was like us (humans) in all things except for sin, then all human beings must receive a spiritual soul at conception as well.[10]

[8] Tertullian, “A Treatise on the Soul,” in The Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 3, edited by A. Roberts, J. Donaldson, and A.C. Coxe (Edinburgh, Scotland: T&T Clark, 1980), 27.
[9] Clement, “Excerpts of Theodotus,” in Ibid., 50.
[10] Cited in David Albert Jones, “The Appeal to the Christian Tradition in the Debate about Embryonic Stem Cell Research,” Islam and Christian-Muslim Relations (July 2005): 274.

christianethicstoday.com/cetart/index.cfm?fuseaction=Articles.main&ArtID=1087

theopedia.com/Traducianism

johnankerberg.com/Articles/_PDFArchives/apologetics/AP4W0403.pdf

 

[PJM]

=CeaselessMedik;6982905]has anyone made the argument well-known that even if fetuses/zygotes weren’t people, it would be wrong to kill something that would become a person?

If memory serves after 16 day’s there is a heartbeat. That frind is not a “thing” it’s a person in developement. Also God infuses a LIVING SOUL AT comception.

Argument NUMBER ONE:

The Fifth Commandment: Thou shall NOT KILL!

God talking not just me.

Love and prayers,

Pat