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I have a bit of a story. I was baptized and confirmed at birth in a Maronite ceremony. In fact, I thought that I was Maronite until a few months ago. However, I was baptized into the Roman Catholic tradition, which has been my own forever. Does this usually happen?
 
Upgrade25 said:
I have a bit of a story. I was baptized and confirmed at birth in a Maronite ceremony. In fact, I thought that I was Maronite until a few months ago. However, I was baptized into the Roman Catholic tradition, which has been my own forever. Does this usually happen?
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Are you saying you were baptized twice??? I don’t quite understand but I think you’re asking if you’re Maronite even though you found out you were baptized in the Roman Rite.

Well, the answer is yes. As long as your father is Maronite, even if you were baptized into the Roman rite, you would actually be canonically a Maronite.
 
thephilosopher6 said:
Are you saying you were baptized twice??? I don’t quite understand but I think you’re asking if you’re Maronite even though you found out you were baptized in the Roman Rite.

Well, the answer is yes. As long as your father is Maronite, even if you were baptized into the Roman rite, you would actually be canonically a Maronite.
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No. I was baptized and confirmed in a Maronite ceremony to the Roman Rite with a Roman Catholic father.
 
Upgrade25 said:
No. I was baptized and confirmed in a Maronite ceremony to the Roman Rite with a Roman Catholic father.
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You were baptized & confirmed into the Latin Rite by a Latin Rite priest, but it was done according to the Maronite Rite?
 
Upgrade25 said:
By a Maronite Bishop.
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If you were baptized & confirmed by a Maronite Bishop according to the Maronite Rite, then it seems you are part of the Maronite Rite. Why do you think you are in the Latin Rite?
 
Confiteor_Deo said:
If you were baptized & confirmed by a Maronite Bishop according to the Maronite Rite, then it seems you are part of the Maronite Rite. Why do you think you are in the Latin Rite?
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NO. Ask Fr. Mitch Pacwa, you are whatever your father is. If you have a Maronite father and a Latin mother, you are a Maronite. My dad was Lutheran and my mother is unbaptized, but I was baptized at a Latin church by a Latin priest, if I marry an Eastern Catholic, like a Melkite, my children would not be Melkite, even if they were baptized and confirmed in Melkite clergy. I hope that answers your question. (For the record, I reference Fr. Mitch because not only is he bi-ritual, but I’ve heard him say this very thing).
 
adamhovey1988 said:
NO. Ask Fr. Mitch Pacwa, you are whatever your father is. If you have a Maronite father and a Latin mother, you are a Maronite. My dad was Lutheran and my mother is unbaptized, but I was baptized at a Latin church by a Latin priest, if I marry an Eastern Catholic, like a Melkite, my children would not be Melkite, even if they were baptized and confirmed in Melkite clergy. I hope that answers your question. (For the record, I reference Fr. Mitch because not only is he bi-ritual, but I’ve heard him say this very thing).
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Oh, I misunderstood “Roman Catholic father” to mean a Roman Catholic priest. My apologies. :o
 
Upgrade25 said:
I have a bit of a story. I was baptized and confirmed at birth in a Maronite ceremony. In fact, I thought that I was Maronite until a few months ago. However, I was baptized into the Roman Catholic tradition, which has been my own forever. Does this usually happen?
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The norm is that for a Catholic baptism as an infant, the sui iuris Catholic Church is determined not by the form of celebration but by the sui iuris Church of the Catholic parent or guardian, per the canon law.

The Code of Canon Law (Latin Church):

Canon 111—1. A child of parents who belong to the Latin Church is ascribed to it by reception of baptism, or, if one or the other parent does not belong to the Latin Church and both parents agree in choosing that the child be baptized in the Latin Church, the child is ascribed to it by reception of baptism; but, if the agreement is lacking, the child is ascribed to the Ritual Church to which the father belongs.

The Code of Canon Law (eastern Church):

Canon 29—1. By virtue of baptism, a child who has not yet completed his fourteenth year of age is enrolled in the Church sui iuris of the Catholic father; or the Church sui iuris of the mother if only the mother is Catholic or if both parents by agreement freely request it, with due regard for particular law established by the Apostolic See.
  1. If the child who has not yet completed his fourteenth year is:
(1) born of an unwed mother, he is enrolled in the Church sui iuris to which the mother belongs;

(2) born of unknown parents, he is to be enrolled in the Church sui iuris of those in whose care he has been legitimately committed are enrolled; if it is a case of an adoptive father and mother, 1 should be applied;

(3) born of non-baptized parents, the child is to be a member of the Church sui iuris of the one who is responsible for his education in the Catholic faith.
 
adamhovey1988 said:
NO. Ask Fr. Mitch Pacwa, you are whatever your father is. If you have a Maronite father and a Latin mother, you are a Maronite. My dad was Lutheran and my mother is unbaptized, but I was baptized at a Latin church by a Latin priest, if I marry an Eastern Catholic, like a Melkite, my children would not be Melkite, even if they were baptized and confirmed in Melkite clergy. I hope that answers your question. (For the record, I reference Fr. Mitch because not only is he bi-ritual, but I’ve heard him say this very thing).
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While this is generally true, if both parents agree, the children can be enrolled in the Church of the mother. What you say is the default position, however.
 
Upgrade25 said:
I have a bit of a story. I was baptized and confirmed at birth in a Maronite ceremony. In fact, I thought that I was Maronite until a few months ago. However, I was baptized into the Roman Catholic tradition, which has been my own forever. Does this usually happen?
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The rite to which you belong is determined patrilineally.

Your questions are somewhat hard for me to answer. “Does this usually happen?” Statistically among the totality of Latin Rite Catholics, no; it would be relatively rare. On the other hand, for Latin Rite Catholics who are under the pastoral care of the Maronites for any of various reasons, yes it would happen with a degree of relative frequency.

You can always eventually petition for a change of rite if, for example, you wished to study for the priesthood in the eparchy to which your parish belongs and given that you have lived your whole life as a Maronite.
 
You could just switch rites. I imagine it would be easy since you have practice that rite longer and had two sacrament of initiation in that rite
 
Seems there’s some confusion. I have had Latin spirituality and gone to a Roman Rite parish for my whole life. I do find Maeonite spirituality beautiful, I just feel a rift from it compared to the Gregorian Chant and Latin, that, while not in my parish, feels at home.
 
pianistclare said:
Then you are Maronite.
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No. Not how it works. See Vico’s post quoting the particular canons.

As for normal, it is not the first time I hear about people not knowing their canonical ascription. What needs to be done? Nothing, unless you intend on becoming a Maronite priest.
 
Well then I guess it depends on who you talk to.
We had a child who was Baptized and Chrismated in the Orthodox church. She and her brother made their First Communion at our Roman Catholic parish. Her mother CONVERTED to Roman Catholicism and believed it covered her entire family.
It did not. Her dad is Byzantine Catholic.
At Confirmation time, she received ONLY a blessing, (she had obviously already been confirmed) and was told by the visiting Bishop that she would have to “sort out” her Orthodox heritage before she got married if she wanted to marry as a Roman Catholic.
She is still considered Orthodox, despite everyone thinking that attending a Roman parish makes you a Roman Catholic.
 
pianistclare said:
We had a child who was Baptized and Chrismated in the Orthodox church. She and her brother made their First Communion at our Roman Catholic parish. Her mother CONVERTED to Roman Catholicism and believed it covered her entire family.
It did not. Her dad is Byzantine Catholic.
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I think you might be confusing the difference between Orthodox and Eastern Catholic. In any case, if her mother was Orthodox and she made a public profession of faith in a Catholic church, then she has become part of the Catholic Church corresponding to that Orthodox Church (i.e. if she was Armenian Orthodox, she is now Armenian Catholic). The child, if transferred, would enter into the same Church. If her father is a Byzantine Catholic, he is in need of no conversion but unless he petitioned to change his canonical ascription he would remain in whatever Eastern Catholic Church he belongs to.
pianistclare said:
At Confirmation time, she received ONLY a blessing, (she had obviously already been confirmed) and was told by the visiting Bishop that she would have to “sort out” her Orthodox heritage before she got married if she wanted to marry as a Roman Catholic.
She is still considered Orthodox, despite everyone thinking that attending a Roman parish makes you a Roman Catholic.
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I’m not quite sure here again if you are confusing Orthodox and Eastern Catholic. Yes, attending a Roman parish does not make you Latin. But if she makes a public profession of faith to the pastor (can be easily done in the sacristy) she’d automatically be ascribed into the corresponding Catholic Church. Perhaps the bishop is telling her to look at her dissociation from her ecclesial patrimony.
 
MorEphrem said:
I think you might be confusing the difference between Orthodox and Eastern Catholic. In any case, if her mother was Orthodox and she made a public profession of faith in a Catholic church, then she has become part of the Catholic Church corresponding to that Orthodox Church (i.e. if she was Armenian Orthodox, she is now Armenian Catholic). The child, if transferred, would enter into the same Church.
The child was NOT transferred. They just assumed.
If her father is a Byzantine Catholic, he is in need of no conversion but unless he petitioned to change his canonical ascription he would remain in whatever Eastern Catholic Church he belongs to. **He did not, correct. **

I’m not quite sure here again if you are confusing Orthodox and Eastern Catholic. Yes, attending a Roman parish does not make you Latin. But if she makes a public profession of faith to the pastor (can be easily done in the sacristy) she’d automatically be ascribed into the corresponding Catholic Church. Perhaps the bishop is telling her to look at her dissociation from her ecclesial patrimony.
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The Bishop told her that her children didn’t automatically convert when she (the mother) did. He said they (the children) are still Orthodox, and they need to see to it before it gets further tangled upon becoming engaged, it needs to be tended to now, not later.
 
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