Is this the consensus among sola scriptura folks?

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Tradition precedes scripture in chronology. That doesn’t necessarily mean it precedes in importance. If it were true that nothing that comes after can have authority then John the Baptist would have authority over Jesus Christ, and I think that vast majority of us agree that this is not the case.

It’s a very practical matter. While the Apostles were still alive they were the ultimate source of authority. At the very beginning, they were all we had–and all we needed. Once they passed, however, all we had to guide us was their teaching. Much of their teaching was in the form of the documents they left behind. Much was in the form of the common practices (i.e. traditions) of the churches of that day.
The sola scriptura folks do not accept the claim of an unbroken line of apostolic succession. Without apostolic succession, the church does not have ultimate authority over the inspired documents the Apostles left for us. Instead, they believe, the inspired word of God has authority over the church–and all other aspects of faith and practice.

If we read the Reformers carefully, we see that they supported tradition as important and valuable. In fact, Zwingli and Calvin, to name two, faced significant opposition from groups who believed that the reformers hadn’t gone far enough in rejecting the teaching and practices of the Roman church. The reformers understood and taught that we stand on the shoulders of the Christians who have gone before. We aren’t to think we’re the first (or even best) to struggle with theological issues.
Traditions transcend time and are practices. Scripture was born out of that Tradition. John the Baptist is a man who self proclaimed himself not to supersede Christ.

The common practices, Tradition provided the Scripture. Scripture was read in Churches and were not left behind like a cookbook.

The Reformers, were heretics, they rejected the teachings/Traditions of the Catholic Church in part. Once they had the “cookbook” they could not agree to agree.
 
What was the practice prior to? And, which is correct?

Jon
Now that were done with apples and oranges this was the original question that was never answered.

You provided information I did not ask for. I do not need to know how anyone came to the position they came to. Read again. Answer the question as I asked. The first is yes/no.

The second requires you to tell me that there is not one but two understandings as I see it with the same source. Is this true or not true?
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Explain your position as to Baptists, Amish, Menonites. Are they Christian in your eyes?
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They reject infant Baptism using the same book you use and have a totally different understanding of what Baptism is as was taught by Calvin/Reformers…with one authority we have two different understandings.,…either there are two truths and that cannot be or there is inability to discern the truth from a source…
So let me make it easy.
Are Baptists/Anabaptists Christians?
Are there two understandings coming from the same source concerning Baptism?
 
=CopticChristian;8516313]Now that were done with apples and oranges this was the original question that was never answered.
You provided information I did not ask for. I do not need to know how anyone came to the position they came to. Read again. Answer the question as I asked. The first is yes/no.
The second requires you to tell me that there is not one but two understandings as I see it with the same source. Is this true or not true?
And it is the same problem with Chrismation and first Holy Communion - two understandings from the same source.
So let me make it easy.
Are Baptists/Anabaptists Christians?
Are there two understandings coming from the same source concerning Baptism?
I would say they are, but in error regarding Baptism. The extent of the danger of that error is for God to know.

Jon
 
And it is the same problem with Chrismation and first Holy Communion - two understandings from the same source.

I would say they are, but in error regarding Baptism. The extent of the danger of that error is for God to know.

Jon
or not…perhaps that is why the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth…and why we take it to the Church…and why the Church is the mystery hidden for all ages…through which the manifest wisodom of God is known by some denied by some but relevant to all…👍
 
or not…perhaps that is why the Church is the pillar and foundation of truth…and why we take it to the Church…and why the Church is the mystery hidden for all ages…through which the manifest wisodom of God is known by some denied by some but relevant to all…👍
Those two passages speak volumes about Jesus’ church which is why I became a catholic. I had thought about the eastern churches but they deny the whole Petrine thing, and most importantly, which eastern church out the many autocephalous eastern churches? The hierarchical set up just didn’t seem right to me, but I digress.

I have determined that there is no consensus among sola scriptura folks which is very problematic for SS proponents…
 
Those two passages speak volumes about Jesus’ church which is why I became a catholic. I had thought about the eastern churches but they deny the whole Petrine thing, and most importantly, which eastern church out the many autocephalous eastern churches? The hierarchical set up just didn’t seem right to me, but I digress.

I have determined that there is no consensus among sola scriptura folks which is very problematic for SS proponents…
Ya think?:eek:
 
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