Is your Religion-Bible Studies - RCIA Instructor literally paranoid?

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Or is she - he simply “overmedicated,” someone who has long since developed what is politely called these days a “chemical dependency” – on so-called “legally prescribed” psycho-active, psycho-tropic, or who knows? Maybe even nuero-leptic drugs? Masquerading as “medications?”

Because, if it IS not drugs, or not drugs 100%, there may be something else at work here! 😃

As silly as this sounds, if we put things in the form used by German antropoligist Andreas Glasser in his article Monolithic Intentionality, Belonging, and State Paranoia: A View Through STASI onto the Late GDR (2004?), we may be surprised to find that there is, here in the American Catholic Church, elements in the Religious Educational field with just such an ideological “paranoia.” As Glaesar’s lengthy article defines what we might call here “Institutional Paranoia,” as well as “State Paranoia,” I think it is well worth a quick peek.

He tells us, for example in footnote one: “The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders: Fourth Edition, better known as DSM-IV, defines paranoid personality disorder as ‘a pervasive distrust and suspiciousness of others such that their motives are interpreted as malevolent’ (American Psychiatric Association 1994:637). Diagnostic criteria include, for example, the assumption of ill-intention even where there is no indication of it; unfounded doubts about the loyalty of friends or associates; unwillingness to confide in others; reading hidden meanings into benign remarks. All of these, as will become apparent throughout the paper, are characteristic of state paranoia as well.”

In this case the “state paranoia” was East Germany and its chief practioners were the dreaded STASI, or secret police.

Based on even a casual reading of these forums, I personally am left with the feeling that many of the problems encountered by many of us in RCIA, or Bible Studies, or Religion Studies arise from the perhaps quite likely conditioning of the instructors themselves in variations of old time Marxist-Leninist methods of psychological domination, intimidation, classroom manipulation and total control.

I recently experienced this myself in Bible Studies Class.

Yet, at the same time it IS almost funny as these unhappy an often pathetic personality types who are really in tune with promoting their Gospel of Marxist-Socialist Reductionists Revolutionary Good News have their comical side.

And that comical side, at least so far as those Dy-no-mite Marx Brothers are concerned, is that these really far out RCIA-Religion-Bible Studies teachers can’t help coming across to a lot us as folks preaching some sort of really weird baloney – and thus less in accord with good 'ole St. Karl Marx – and more in accord with the “Revolutionary School” of St. Groucho! :rolleyes:

Perhaps most pathetic of all? Many I’ve come in contact with over the years are otherwise nice, albiet over-medicated ladies stuck in some time warp from long, long ago.

That long ago “Golden Age.” when places as distinct as North Korea, Cuba and the Soviet Union were being touted as the real-life living, breathing personification of You-Know-Whos “Sermon on the Mount,” Eight Beatitudes and All! 😃

Thus, any RCIA, Religion Studies, or Bible Studies student who has the effrontery to insist, no matter how matter of factly, that there is no way to “mix hell with Holy Water” in a hopelessly bizarre text is automatically classified as the “enemy.”

The student is often warned, maybe once or twice, and then simply attacked. How? By the instructor, over-medicated or otherwise, going off in his (or her) face. In the short term this “works.”

Even as someone who was on the receiving end of such an attack Thursday, a week ago yesterday, yours truly had enough sense “to keep my cool as I ain’t no fool,” and quietly begin tabulating impressions and then putting such impressions into what many of us have long since recognized as standard albiet “last ditch” forms of Marxist control techniques, to check for fit. In this case, at least, there was a very good fit!

See you…

Aurelio 👍
 
My female RCIA teachers were too bubbleheaded and too happy to tolerate (and in retrospect I wonder if there were overmedicated on a happy pill like Zoloft) so I did self-study (partially) for my Catechesis. I just couldn’t learn in an atmosphere where the predominant sound made by the both of the catechists was giggling. It drove me crazy!

It is possible for a person or persons to have TOO MUCH personality! Gosh, and combine too much personality with paranoia–my oh my!

You might find a Pastor who will walk you through a one-on-one study: like he might give you a book and have return to discuss it after you’ve read it, and so on. When he’s satisfied with your education, he’ll Confirm you. Just tell the front office you want to make an appointment to talk to the Pastor–they need not know why.

I was already baptised Catholic though … so I was allowed to skip RCIA. I’m not sure how the rules apply to the non-baptised. You may be forced to endure to the end. Hey–at least you can offer up your sufferings for the Poor Souls in Purgatory.

Wish I had better advice.

God Bless!
 
absolutely, also estrogen deprived and caffeine addicted. all our DRE meetings run on coffee and donuts so I do believe sugar is to blame (think what happens to a bunch of cub scouts if you feed them koolaid and twinkies).

there is some kind of process we go through on our way to being DREs (Dames who Run Everything) which makes us like Zorro–mild mannered moms and grandmas at home, donning a mask of self-righteousness and slashing swords at parents and candidates at work. don’t feel bad, you should see how we treat our pastors.

the occupational hazard we all face is mistaking our personal preferences for canon law. recall the truism: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Since this profession is dominated by women (in our diocese I can think of two deacons, one brother, two married men, and one priest who serve as DREs in parishes, vs about 80 women) I will say “she” in this discussion.

Due to the priest shortage and probably other factors that most bishops are aware of but choose to ignore, many parishes are run de facto by women, whether they have a formal title as “pastoral associate” or whether they are the senior staff member, either nun or laywoman, who runs religious education along with putting their fingers in every other pie as well. this gives not only an illusion of power but sometimes the trappings of power (people are always calling me Sister, in spite of the numerous pictures of grandchildren all over my office) and it would be a saint indeed who could resist wielding that power.

rule no. one when dealing with somebody like me: firmly but gently insist on discussing whatever problem arises with the priest himself, keep calling every day for an appointment until he agrees to see you. do not take the word of the DRE, parish secretary, nun or anyone other than the parochial vicar as final.
 
Due to the priest shortage and probably other factors that most bishops are aware of but choose to ignore, many parishes are run de facto by women …
True, true.
 
I hope not, but I have not check as of late. Oh, I seem to be just fine.
 
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there is some kind of process we go through on our way to being DREs (Dames who Run Everything) which makes us like Zorro–mild mannered moms and grandmas at home, donning a mask of self-righteousness and slashing swords at parents and candidates at work. don’t feel bad, you should see how we treat our pastors.

the occupational hazard we all face is mistaking our personal preferences for canon law. recall the truism: power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Sounds like you should all be fired. :rolleyes:
 
😃 Hi, y’all!

Gee, you know? It’s great getting all this (name removed by moderator)ut, but! In regards to RCIA?

Well, let’s suppose this hypothetical example: Supposing we have had the mixed fortune to be born into the composite character of Ms. Rosie Mengano – “Rosie So-and-so” – plus we’ve had the equally dubious fortune to be born smack in the middle of a medium sized right-on and progressive diocese midway between Dallas and Chicago, perhaps some place like Indianapolis (Sp?) or Des Moines(sp?).

Let’s also say that Rosie’s Big Midwestern City parish has around 5,000 to 6,000 souls in regular attendance at weekly mass, with roughly 5% to 7%-plus of that attending daily Mass at least once a week.

Now, Rosie has been BOTH baptized and has received her First Communion.

Not too surprisingly Rosie wonders aloud, “Why ME? Why do I have to go every Sunday to RCIA when I’ve already had all the above?”

Plus, thanks both to at least some of Rosie’s fellow students and her embattled RCIA teacher, the classroom enviroment sometimes takes on the patina of some Third World Free Fire Zone, where neither side really cares to “dialogue,” much less bothers with “taking prisoners.”

Rosie, to give her credit, would dearly love to be left to her own business and let others do the same, and have some priestly tutoring.

But! Enter the Sisterhood: "Rosie, honey, you’re a smart young early twenties-something lady and a straight-A University Student!

“You’re also on the Sisterhood’s pay roll, $35.00 an hour, or whatever it is these days, so WE KNOW, o.k.? That you don’t want to be difficult. Remember Willie and Joe? Those two young guys that were here before you, and whose jobs we combined to give you a Big Sisterhood Break?”

Rosie is no fool. She knows all too well the fate of Willie and Joe. Plus, the Diocesan Sisterhood is right. She’s is indeed, a smart young woman!

[And now an off-stage voice mournfully proclaims, in deep male-tones:]

"Oh, no! Somehow the Sisterhood knows! Rosie is suspected of developing an all-American 'Tood! In fact Rosie, has just been told so, and that, as a result, her paltry $35.00 an hour Sisterhood Job is now dependent upon her being a willing participant in re-cycling through another 37 consecutive months of Diocesan-mandated Pre-remedial RCIA Rehab-for-Attitude-Therapy!

"Question, oh Gentle Viewers, What is Rosie most likely to do?
  1. If she STILL so much as has a brain left in her little head?
  2. Or, even if she DOESN’T?
“The People Want to Know!”

Oh, my!

👍 Aurelio 😉
 
the solution to bad people in positions of influence in the Church is for good people to take positions of influence in the Church. If all the good men who have been called to the priesthood and all the good women who have been called to religious life had answered the call and remained faithful in their vocations, we would not be in this fix. for that matter, if all the lay faithful who have been called to the marriage vocation had remained chaste before marriage, remained faithful to their marriage vows an open to life in their marriages, we would have plenty of faithful Catholic families as incubators for faithful Catholics.

If you are a baptized, confirmed Catholic who is not actively evangelizing you are unfaithful to your baptismal promises. If you are a Catholic lay person who is not fulfilling the apostolate of the laity: witnessing to Christ in your family, workplace and civic life you are not responding to the action of the Holy Spirit which you received in Confirmation.

If you are a member of a parish where those in lay ministry are ill-catechised, dissenting, uncommitted, ignorant and downright dangerous, and you do nothing to remedy the situation, you are part of the problem.

quitcherbitchen and get active. document the abuse, put it in writing with names, dates, factual details, edit out the whining and editorializing, sign your name and send it certified mail return receipt requested to the bishop.
 
🙂 Yo, Asquared, PuzzleAnnie and everybody!

Thanks to each and everyone of you for the (name removed by moderator)ut.

Boy!

Do I ever owe a debt of gratitude to you, Asquared!

Basically, I waited until October, and when things continued to grow even worse, took your advice about writng a letter to our local bishop, registered mail, return receipt requested.

Almost the minute I sat down to do this, however, the lightbulb flickered, albeit dimly at first.

And then I said to myself: “In THIS part of the world, Archbishops out rank bishops, so hummm… o.k. --let’s just do it!”

So we did.

Things were pretty quiet for some weeks, then all of a sudden POW!

“Things underwent a subtle change, but they did change, and for the better.”

Thanks again, everyone.

Oh, yes Asquared I see you’re close to the “rancho” where I was born (forget hospitals in those days!) and grew up.

So, when I tell you that I’m a “DHS Redskin, class of '66” you’ll know what I mean.

See you all…

Aurelio:thumbsup:
 
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