Islam prohibits praying for Steve Jobs.

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As I understand it they donā€™t pray for disbelievers since this would be questioning Godā€™s judgement. They donā€™t second guess anotherā€™s beliefs either, so one who professes islam is viewed as being Muslim and vice versa, even though in reality this may not be the case. This to me does not seems all that unreasonable and asks the question, what is the Churches teaching on this? Initially Iā€™d say not that dissimilar, but does someone actually know?
Now clarifying the Churches teaching is beneficial unlike the words of a disgruntled Apple customer (re: amusing post about the 300 page bill)
 
Steve Jobs was a Lutheran who rejected the Christian faith and was a Buddhist as is his wife and children.
 
FabiusMaximus said:
Apologies, then. I would have assumed that Islam would prohibit prayer for the dead because it would conflict with Godā€™s absolute sovereignty. Iā€™m actually surprised that they pray for the dead, but I suppose I should have realized considering they always add the PBUH formula after revered Muslim figures.
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why the prayer for the dead would conflict with Godā€™s absolute sovereignty ?
 
Think this article from the Catholic Encyclopedia is worth a read:
To those who die in wilful, unrepented mortal sin, which implies a deliberate turning away from God as the last end and ultimate good of man, Catholic teaching holds out no hope of eventual salvation by a course of probation after death. Eternal exile from the face of God is, by their own choice, the fate of such unhappy souls, and prayers are unavailing to reverse that awful doom. This was the explicit teaching of Christ, the meek and merciful Saviour, and the Church can but repeat the Masterā€™s teaching. But the Church does not presume to judge individuals, even those for whom, on other grounds, she refuses to offer her Sacrifice and her prayers, while it may happen, on the contrary, that some of those for whom her oblations are made are among the number of the damned. What of such prayers? If they cannot avail to the ultimate salvation of the damned, may it at least be held that they are not entirely unavailing to procure some alleviation of their sufferings, some temporary refrigeria, or moments of mitigation, as a few Fathers and theologians have suggested? All that can be said in favour of this speculation is, that the Church has never formally reprobated it. But the great majority of theologians, following St. Thomas (In Sent. IV, xlv, q. ii, a. 2), consider it rash and unfounded
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Zooey said:
Eternal rest grant unto Steve Jobs, & may eternal light shine upon him.:byzsoc: May he rest in peace.
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That is a very good prayer for believers and non-believers. http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon14.gif
Peace_of_cake said:
Reading your posts Sam_777, I have to ask, why are you doing this and what do you hope to achieve? Why not put all your effort into how right Catholicism is and not how wrong Islam isā€¦ Otherwise youā€™ll just sound like a politician šŸ™‚
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Discussing such topics here help me not regret leaving Islam permanently one day, and since Iā€™m not Catholic yet I cannot show how right Catholicism is, but since Iā€™m Muslim all my life I can show how Islam is wrong, beside that, that help show the true face of Islam because such topics are not allowed in Islamic forums, and please this is off topic let us not derail this thread and stay on topic.
jakasaki said:
**I support and double endorse Samā€™s post. **
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Thank you sister in Christā€¦:blessyou:
FabiusMaximus said:
Do Muslims even believe that it is proper to pray for the dead?
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jakasaki said:
Yeahā€¦ itā€™s not quite clear about their ritual.

And I donā€™t know if they constantly pray for their dead or itā€™s a one time thing - meaning when the muslim dies.
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Regular visiting of the graves of Muslims and praying on the their dead body from time to time is allowed per authentic hadiths by Sahih Muslim (Book 004, Number 2129 and 2104).
 
So, when it comes to praying for the dead, then, muslims are closer to Rome than Protestantism!

I have to say, Sam777, I do feel for you. There canā€™t be much room in your life for free expression of your spiritual leanings - God bless & preserve you.:signofcross:
 
philial said:
Yeah, Baptist, not Methodist. Thanks, starsmurf šŸ‘ (Iwouldnā€™t want to get into their bad books now, would I? :D).
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šŸ˜ƒ :rotfl:

I feel that being in the group they think are going to Hell is a good thingā€¦ šŸ˜ƒ
 
Sam_777 said:
Discussing such topics here help me not regret leaving Islam permanently one day, and since Iā€™m not Catholic yet I cannot show how right Catholicism is, but since Iā€™m Muslim all my life I can show how Islam is wrong, beside that, that help show the true face of Islam because such topics are not allowed in Islamic forums, and please this is off topic let us not derail this thread and stay on topic
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May I suggest you put all your efforts into finding, learning and walking the right path then. Does one achieve bliss by making every effort to better oneself and others or kicking wrongdoers into hell and arrogantly shaking your head as they fall?
Since the Church these days is on the whole trying to show the Christian characteristic of forgiveness towards our Muslim neighbours then it may be that these posts where you highlight only the negative things in the Middle East may prove detrimental.
Also this ā€˜trueā€™ face of Islam is coming from Saudi, well then it isnā€™t since both Sunni and Shia Muslims consider it a joke!
Finally since the churches teaching is also one of not praying for heretics and unbelievers then it actually misguides people.
Anyway, that may have not come across too well - sorry unintentional. Iā€™m sure itā€™s pretty tough for you out there, just try and take the better path and spread love where there is hate (easier said than done) - all the best šŸ‘
 
philial said:
So, when it comes to praying for the dead, then, muslims are closer to Rome than Protestants
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Interestingly history has shown that generally the Church has been stronger in itā€™s condemnation of heretics than unbelievers. I think this is because heretics are more of a threat; the silent enemy within. And also heresy comes from a spiritual illness, a defiance of the truth (most heretical groups defining themselves against one element of church teaching rather than anything constructive) whereas unbelievers are just misguided.
Sometimes I feel - strangely - we have more scope for collaboration with Orthodox Muslim and Jewish groups than we do with Protestants, Evangelicals or Fundamentalists???
 
False. Just by reading the title of this thread and denying its validity in any way shape or form. Islam is not a person that can say that you cant pray for so and so. Islam is a way of life. After you understand that premise understand that I am a muslim and as such am free to pray for whoever I feel like much like you as a christian. My family and I were deeply saddened by his untimely death and after learning more about him were encapsulated with the achievements he had made. In fact we were getting annoyed at the fact that Cnn was all over his death yet Fox news was not giving his death any coverage what soever and instead arguing and bickering about Sarah Palin, LOL. I do not think that If i dont pray for Steve Jobs that I will go to hell but that if I did say a little pray for Steve Jobs family to cope with his passing that would be appropriate. Anything more would kind of be taking things too far but totally false statement OP has made, LOL
 
LUV4ALL said:
Anything more would kind of be taking things too far but totally false statement OP has made, LOL
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The reference that Saudi cleric used was from a verse in Quran!, while you Ahmadiyya the 19th century religious movement which many mainstream Muslims believe it to be heretical and non-Muslim have no reference at allā€¦
 
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