Islam - Violant and Irrational? by Regis Martin

[Linusthe2nd]

Regis Martin, in Crisis Magazine, makes the case that it is time to take the gloves off when speaking about Islam. In his view there is nothing rational or peaceful about Islam, that it has been so from the beginning in the 7th century, that the " God " of Islam cannot possibly be the God of christianity since the nature of Islam’s God is entirely different from the nature of the God of Christianity. Islam’s God is not a God of salvation, whereas the God of Christianity is - a vast difference. One thing can save us, the mass conversion of Islalm to Christianity.

The practice of political correctness will be the death of us all, it is time to take the blinders off.

crisismagazine.com/2014/telling-truth-islam

Linus2nd

 

[delphin]

So what is the endgame here? Freedom of Religion is one of our human rights and should that ever be taken away? Can we ban certain religions we feel are violent and irrational? What about those who think any and all religion is violent and irrational? What if a Muslim author wrote “Christianity - Violent and Irrational.” Our country, and our world are already horribly divided, and in my opinion articles like this only enforce and lengthen the divide. What we need to do is find things all religions have in common and try to unite ourselves as brothers and sisters, all human beings.

 

[tonyrey]

I lived with Muslims in Algiers for two years and I would trust them far more than many people in my own city, the only place I have ever been attacked. I used to stay at a Trappist monastery at weekends where there was a free dispensary for the local people. In 1996 seven of the monks were beheaded by the GIA, a fanatical Muslim sect. Among them was their prior who had had a premonition he was going to suffer a violent death. This is an extract from the letter he wrote to his mother:

If it should happen one day – and it could be today – that I become a victim of the terrorism that now seems to encompass all the foreigners living in Algeria, I would like my community, my church, my family, to remember that my life was given to God and to Algeria; and that they accept that the sole Master of all life was not a stranger to this brutal departure.

I would like, when the time comes, to have a space of clearness that would allow me to beg forgiveness of God and of my fellow human beings, and at the same time to forgive with all my heart the one who will strike me down. I could not desire such a death; it seems to me important to state this: How could I rejoice if the Algerian people I love were indiscriminately accused of my murder?

My death, obviously, will appear to confirm those who hastily judged me naïve or idealistic: “Let him tell us now what he thinks of it!” But they should know that…for this life lost, I give thanks to God. In this “thank you,” which is said for everything in my life from now on, I certainly include you, my last-minute friend who will not have known what you are doing…I commend you to the God in whose face I see yours. And may we find each other, happy “good thieves” in Paradise, if it please God, the Father of us both.

plough.com/en/articles/2011/february/christian-de-cherg%C3%A9-a-story-of-forgiveness

Father de Chergé became a priest because his life had been saved by an Algerian policeman who was later found murdered for having intervened on his behalf. His answer to the OP is:

I know the caricatures which a certain Islamic ideology encourages and which make it easy for some to dismiss the religion as hateful…But such people should know that at last I will be able to see the children of Islam as He sees them—He whose secret joy is to bring forth our common humanity amid our differences.

ibid.

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[utunumsint]

I lived with Muslims in Algiers for two years and I would trust them far more than many people in my own city, the only place I have ever been attacked. I used to stay at a Trappist monastery at weekends where there was a free dispensary for the local people. In 1996 seven of the monks were beheaded by the GIA, a fanatical Muslim sect. Among them was their prior who had had a premonition he was going to suffer a violent death. This is an extract from the letter he wrote to his mother:

plough.com/en/articles/2011/february/christian-de-cherg%C3%A9-a-story-of-forgiveness

Father de Chergé became a priest because his life had been saved by an Algerian policeman who was later found murdered for having intervened on his behalf. His answer to the OP is:

ibid.

Download Why Forgive? as a free ebook.

They made a movie out of it. sonyclassics.com/ofgodsandmen/
sonyclassics.com/ofgodsandmen/presskit.pdf

I remembered being very moved by it. I certainly understand that there were people who were innocent of the killing of the monks. The question is, how easy is it to use the Koran to justify violent ends compared to how easy it is to use the Bible for such ends? I don’t think the two are on the same level at all. I also remember my comparative religion teacher saying that Muslims are very good at being in power, but terrible when their way of life is under threat, as opposed to Christians who tend to be at their best when persecuted and at their worst when having power.

God bless,
Ut

 

[Hobbes42]

Regis Martin, in Crisis Magazine, makes the case that it is time to take the gloves off when speaking about Islam. In his view there is nothing rational or peaceful about Islam, that it has been so from the beginning in the 7th century, that the " God " of Islam cannot possibly be the God of christianity since the nature of Islam’s God is entirely different from the nature of the God of Christianity. Islam’s God is not a God of salvation, whereas the God of Christianity is - a vast difference. One thing can save us, the mass conversion of Islalm to Christianity.

The practice of political correctness will be the death of us all, it is time to take the blinders off.

crisismagazine.com/2014/telling-truth-islam

Linus2nd

*Violent

 

[captainrick]

Yes, it is.
We will continue to wallow in political correctness as long as we continue to elect gutless politicians.

 

[tonyrey]

They made a movie out of it. sonyclassics.com/ofgodsandmen/
sonyclassics.com/ofgodsandmen/presskit.pdf

I remembered being very moved by it. I certainly understand that there were people who were innocent of the killing of the monks. The question is, how easy is it to use the Koran to justify violent ends compared to how easy it is to use the Bible for such ends? I don’t think the two are on the same level at all. I also remember my comparative religion teacher saying that Muslims are very good at being in power, but terrible when their way of life is under threat, as opposed to Christians who tend to be at their best when persecuted and at their worst when having power.

God bless,
Ut

That wouldn’t put Christians in a good light if it were true! I don’t believe it is nor that all nor even the majority of Muslims are at their worst when in power. Generalisations are always hazardous because they are not only misleading but also often the cause of animosity. I prefer Father de Chergé’s view which is based on the teaching of Jesus who forgave his executioners and prayed “that they may be one as we are one”.

God bless you.

 

[inocente]

Regis Martin, in Crisis Magazine, makes the case that it is time to take the gloves off when speaking about Islam. In his view there is nothing rational or peaceful about Islam, that it has been so from the beginning in the 7th century, that the " God " of Islam cannot possibly be the God of christianity since the nature of Islam’s God is entirely different from the nature of the God of Christianity. Islam’s God is not a God of salvation, whereas the God of Christianity is - a vast difference. One thing can save us, the mass conversion of Islalm to Christianity.

Martin isn’t much of a theology professor if he thinks Islam isn’t about salvation.

islamreligion.com/articles/3681/
religionfacts.com/islam/beliefs/salvation.htm

It’s even in the CCC: 841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

But then he rebels against the Church, which says:

The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting. - vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html

 

[Charlemagne_III]

The practice of political correctness will be the death of us all, it is time to take the blinders off.

crisismagazine.com/2014/telling-truth-islam

Linus2nd

No doubt about it.

The first order of business is to challenge the Muslims to condemn radical Islam everywhere.

I don’t see that happening. I don’t see the Muslims having the courage to practice what they preach as a religion of peace. When I see that happen, when the true Muslims crack down on and defeat the radical Muslims, I will begin to think more favorably about Islam as a religion of peace. Until then, I think Islam simply enables the violent and the criminal to prevail.

After all, they are supposed to believe in theocratic government, but their passivity to radical Islam has given Satan the reins of power in many parts of the Islamic world.

 

[Linusthe2nd]

It looks like many here are willing to commit politically correct suicide. It is pretty hard to square the " god " of the Qur’an with the God of Christian revelation. And it is pretty hard to believe that a good Angel of God revealed to Muhammad what is written in the Qur’an. I don’t know how the Church justifies its optimistic view of Muslims with these facts and with the factual history of Islam. Instead of critisizing Regis Martin why doesn’t someone answer these questions.

Linus2nd

 

[inocente]

I don’t see that happening. I don’t see the Muslims having the courage to practice what they preach as a religion of peace.

Almost 1 in 4 of all people on the planet is a Muslim, yet somehow you know that every last one of them is a wuss?

Dude, way to stereotype.

 

[inocente]

It looks like many here are willing to commit politically correct suicide. It is pretty hard to square the " god " of the Qur’an with the God of Christian revelation. And it is pretty hard to believe that a good Angel of God revealed to Muhammad what is written in the Qur’an. I don’t know how the Church justifies its optimistic view of Muslims with these facts and with the factual history of Islam. Instead of critisizing Regis Martin why doesn’t someone answer these questions.

So when did American come to mean non-Muslim?

btw there are five times more Muslims in the world than American non-Muslims.

Putting air-quotes (’" god " of the Qur’an’) around another person’s beliefs is the kind of thing that fundamentalists and extremists do to start a fight. Dangerous game, disrespecting another person’s religion. It radicalizes otherwise peaceful folk.

 

[tonyrey]

So when did American come to mean non-Muslim?

btw there are five times more Muslims in the world than American non-Muslims.

Putting air-quotes (’" god " of the Qur’an’) around another person’s beliefs is the kind of thing that fundamentalists and extremists do to start a fight. Dangerous game, disrespecting another person’s religion. It radicalizes otherwise peaceful folk.

In stark contrast to a Catholic martyr’s* prayer for his killer:

And may we find each other, happy “good thieves” in Paradise, if it please God,** the Father of us both.**

plough.com/en/articles/20…of-forgiveness

*Father de Chergé

 

[Linusthe2nd]

So when did American come to mean non-Muslim?

Are you addressing something I said?

btw there are five times more Muslims in the world than American non-Muslims.

Again, are you addressing something I said?

Putting air-quotes (’" god " of the Qur’an’) around another person’s beliefs is the kind of thing that fundamentalists and extremists do to start a fight. Dangerous game, disrespecting another person’s religion. It radicalizes otherwise peaceful folk.

Says you! Think whatever you want, it won’t change the facts. Why not answer the questions I actually asked?

Linus2nd

 

[NewEnglandPriest]

Reza Aslan addressed some of these things on CNN recently:
Does Islam Promote Violence?