Isn't it time to back off the Pope?

[Christine85]

Yes I agree people should leave that poor man alone! Death wishes - that’s sick stuff.
Everyone ought to have respect for the Pope.

 

[Seamus_L]

If one wishes to go digging for dirt, they’ll usually find it. We also have people on the left (not about to go away any time soon) who believe Pope Francis had close ties to Argentina’s military junta during the Dirty War.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Not so much here, but have you read newspapers lately and some blogs on the internet. There is a radical traditionalist something out there that wants this man’s blood. I say something, because I don’t think that it’s an organized group. I think it’s more of a passion that is very impatient. As I asked, how much can a human being do in 18 days to prove that he’s orthodox? The man needs time to catch his breath.

Hey, at the top of the list, the middle of the list or the end of the list, the SSPX belongs on the list. It’s not something that can be ignored. Where the Holy Father places the SSPX on his “To Do List” is still unknown.

JR, NEWSPAPERS and blogs are not a real reflection. You cannot trust the media to report anything accurately (sad but true). And blogs? Come on, ANYBODY can blog and make all sorts of claims. ONE person somehow reflects even a MAJORITY of traditionalists? I don’t think so.

 

[JustaServant]

I seem to be missing something here. Are Traditional Catholics now openly attacking Pope Francis on the CA Forum ?

Not here. The mods make sure of that.
But there are a few people here who also post on another forum whose initials are FE.
They follow the rules here, but ‘let their hair down’ over there.
A certain Baptist preacher years ago said one truth: “The state of your spiritual maturity is evident in those situations when NOBODY’S looking.”
But uh…its a public forum, so people are…

 

[JustaServant]

JR, NEWSPAPERS and blogs are not a real reflection. You cannot trust the media to report anything accurately (sad but true). And blogs? Come on, ANYBODY can blog and make all sorts of claims. ONE person somehow reflects even a MAJORITY of traditionalists? I don’t think so.

I agree to an extent. Although I think he’s also talking about trad forums. The internet is a shaky measure of certain movements.
Unfortunately, this is the high tech age we live in.
If there are traditionalalists who oppose such extremism, let them step up to the plate.
Silence can be interpreted as agreement.

 

[Melchior_1]

JR, NEWSPAPERS and blogs are not a real reflection. You cannot trust the media to report anything accurately (sad but true). And blogs? Come on, ANYBODY can blog and make all sorts of claims. ONE person somehow reflects even a MAJORITY of traditionalists? I don’t think so.

JR already clarified he meant “radical traditionalists”. If you visit “traditionalist” message boards, you will see some of what Brother JR speaks of.

 

[Rich_C]

Isn’t it time to back off traditionalists? I don’t see what this thread is responding to, other than other threads saying, “traditionalist should respect the pope.” All this talk of smoke, where’s the fire?

 

[simple_soul]

Not here. The mods make sure of that.
But there are a few people here who also post on another forum whose initials are FE.
They follow the rules here, but ‘let their hair down’ over there.
A certain Baptist preacher years ago said one truth: “The state of your spiritual maturity is evident in those situations when NOBODY’S looking.”
But uh…its a public forum, so people are…

The thing is that while the moderators do the good job that they do here there is a way for them to still try to get their message out. There are two ways you can attack some one overtly and covertly. It is the covert attacks that I find more insidious. And for those who are going to try and challenge me to “prove” that they are indeed covertly attacking the Pope…forget it. You and God know who you are and I will leave it between you and Him to figure out if the shoe fits or not. If it does I would urge you to change and if it does not then you have nothing to worry or be concerned about and I am just a mistaken old fool!

 

[Boulder257]

I have read some of the disparaging remarks made about the Pope here. I also don’t think our moderator would have felt the need to put up a special sticky reminding us of the rules if there had not been rule breakers. I am pretty sure Brother is only referring to those who are speaking ill of the Holy Father. If you are not in that category, than you need not be offended.

 

[choliks]

JR, NEWSPAPERS and blogs are not a real reflection. You cannot trust the media to report anything accurately (sad but true). And blogs? Come on, ANYBODY can blog and make all sorts of claims. ONE person somehow reflects even a MAJORITY of traditionalists? I don’t think so.

Tell that to the CAF members who have become anxious about the Pope’s orthodoxy because of what they’re getting from the media.

 

[hudson]

He did not break a Church law. The legislator is not bound by the law. A pope can change a law any time. He can dispense with a law for any reason.

In this case, he simply did not observe the law, which is not the same as breaking the law. You’re guilty of breaking the law if you’re under the law. If you’re the one who makes the laws, then you’re not under the law.

Think of a parent in a home. The parent establishes a bedtime. One night, for whatever reason, the parent stays up past the established bedtime. Is the parent breaking the law or does the parent not have the right to stay up, regardless of the law?

The answer is obvious. He’s the parent. He made the law. He gets to decide when to apply it and when not to do so. No one else in the house has that kind of authority.

I think I get it now. It is kind of like if a parent tells their kids not to do drugs and then the parent goes and does drugs. Kind of makes it hard to get upset if your kids then go and do drugs themselves. Lead by example.

 

[Seamus_L]

I think these threads are counter productive and misleading, in that they seemingly give the impression to casual observers, that Traditional Catholics are opposed to Pope Francis. Consider how many people identify themselves as liberal Catholics, and openly reject the Church’s teaching on a whole host of issues.

 

[opus101]

Not so much here, but have you read newspapers lately and some blogs on the internet. There is a radical traditionalist something out there that wants this man’s blood. I say something, because I don’t think that it’s an organized group. I think it’s more of a passion that is very impatient. As I asked, how much can a human being do in 18 days to prove that he’s orthodox? The man needs time to catch his breath.

Thank you so much for this thread and the quote above. Amen, Amen.
Alleluia!

 

[TimothyH]

Some people are saying that all they’ve seen are social justice gestures. But stop and think. These gestures do not require much discernment, dialogue, study or any kind of investigation. The obvious is obvious, plain and simple. If you have the poor, the disabled, the elderly, the sick, you know what needs to be done. You don’t need to call together a committee to get some ideas. These are situations that any bishop would have faced in his home diocese. When he comes to Rome as it’s bishop, it’s easy to respond.

This bothers me, when people seperate social justice issues from issues of personal morality. It bothers me because it is an artificial seperation which causes a division in Christ’s body, with one side complaining about “The social justice crowd” and the other side complaining about the scrupulous “Traditionalists.”

An injustice is when we deny someone what is theirs by right. All sin is injustice and all injustice is sin. It’s that simple.

Take an unfaithful husband for example. When he commits the sin of adultery, he denies his spouse the fidelity that is her’s by right, and he denies God that which is God’s by right, namely, faithfulness to the commandments given to us by He whom created us.

Every human being is made in the image of God and Christ died for every single human being. That gives each of us infinite value and infinite dignity in the eyes of God. To deny someone the dignity which Christ earned them on the Cross is an injustice to them and to Christ. When someone starves on the street or freezes to death or is denied pain medication for any reason at all, it is a denial of the dignity which Christ earned for them on the Cross. That denial is an injustice, and that injustice is a sin.

There is not seperation between issues of personal morality and social justice. A world that is perfectly just would have no sin and a world which has no sin would be perfectly just. It’s that simple.

If everyone saw sin as the injustice that it is and everyone saw injustice as the sin that it is, there would be no division between the personal morality and social justice camps.

-Tim-

 

[Annabelle_Marie]

I think I get it now. It is kind of like if a parent tells their kids not to do drugs and then the parent goes and does drugs. Kind of makes it hard to get upset if your kids then go and do drugs themselves. Lead by example.

Wow…so the Pope washing two women’s feet is like a parent doing drugs??? Seriously??

He washed two women’s feet…big deal…it’s not like he’s going to start allowing women to be ordained. Geez! He is showing mercy and love. Jesus talked to the woman at the well…something unheard of at that time. It doesn’t mean he made women priests. Relax everyone.

 

[JustaServant]

I think these threads are counter productive and misleading, in that they seemingly give the impression to casual observers, that Traditional Catholics are opposed to Pope Francis. Consider how many people identify themselves as liberal Catholics, and openly reject the Church’s teaching on a whole host of issues.

What kind of impression do you think the blog Rorate Caeli is giving? Especially when they contact a media more than ready to bash the Church. What kind of impression do you think Fisheaters is giving? CAF is a very controlled environment, and the mods still have to lasso people when they go too far.
This is about radical trads who have an agenda, and they obviously don’t care how other Catholics view them, liberal OR orthodox. A pattern very similar to Protestant fundamentalism.

 

[JustaServant]

Wow…so the Pope washing two women’s feet is like a parent doing drugs??? Seriously??

He washed two women’s feet…big deal…it’s not like he’s going to start allowing women to be ordained. Geez! He is showing mercy and love. Jesus talked to the woman at the well…something unheard of at that time. It doesn’t mean he made women priests. Relax everyone.

I didn’t understand his point, it makes no sense.

 

[coachkfan1]

Wow…so the Pope washing two women’s feet is like a parent doing drugs??? Seriously??

He washed two women’s feet…big deal…it’s not like he’s going to start allowing women to be ordained. Geez! He is showing mercy and love. Jesus talked to the woman at the well…something unheard of at that time. It doesn’t mean he made women priests. Relax everyone.

I don’t think that he is comparing it to drug use by parents. What I think that what he trying to say is that if you expect the laity to follow the Laws of the Church, then te leaders of the Church should set the example by following the laws of the Church. I read complaint on here all of the time about “cafeteria Catholics” and rightly so, but the same should be expected of the Bishops too. I think part of the reason many Catholics are following their own conscience instead of the Magisterium is because they see too many of their leaders doing the same. I am speaking more on a Diocesan level now, but the tone is set from the top. I am not saying I feel this way, I am saying this is the rational of certain lay people to “do their own thing.”

 

[hudson]

I don’t think that he is comparing it to drug use by parents. What I think that what he trying to say is that if you expect the laity to follow the Laws of the Church, then te leaders of the Church should set the example by following the laws of the Church. I read complaint on here all of the time about “cafeteria Catholics” and rightly so, but the same should be expected of the Bishops too. I think part of the reason many Catholics are following their own conscience instead of the Magisterium is because they see too many of their leaders doing the same. I am speaking more on a Diocesan level now, but the tone is set from the top. I am not saying I feel this way, I am saying this is the rational of certain lay people to “do their own thing.”

Bingo.

 

[Thomas_Casey]

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