Issue of celibacy causing the great schism?

[JohnVIII]

Interesting that Humbert didn’t cite divorce and remarriage as one of the ‘evils’ of Constantinople. Catholic apologists today cite that as a huge issue yet it didn’t even appear on Humbert’s radar, despite it being accepted practice in the East.

Very, Very good point!!!

 

[prodromos]

Will you open your mind if I do?

That’s like asking if he would stop beating his wife. You falsely imply that he has a closed mind.

 

[Aramis]

How significant was the issue of mandatory clerical celibacy in relation to the great schism between east and west? Was it one of the top 3 reasons? Does the issue hinder a possible re-unification?

No. Rome didn’t actually enforce clerical celibacy in the west until almost a hundred years post Humbert. (It did enforce continence, but that’s a different matter.)

 

[Hesychios]

There are issues that were considered very important long ago that we no longer have a problem with now. For example, the issue of using azymes (unleavened bread) in the Eucharist.

I just read an interesting post, by Patrick457, the assertion made was that the church at Rome originally used leavened bread. I had always wondered about that but I never read any scholarship on the subject. If the references are correct, there was a distinct Rite of Preparation as well. In the time of Cardinal Humberto he might have been quite unaware of it.

One can read the particulars here …

 

[Aramis]

I just read an interesting post, by Patrick457, the assertion made was that the church at Rome originally used leavened bread. I had always wondered about that but I never read any scholarship on the subject. If the references are correct, there was a distinct Rite of Preparation as well. In the time of Cardinal Humberto he might have been quite unaware of it.

One can read the particulars here …

The Dominican Missal still has a prothesis; it was based upon French use of the Roman Missal ca. 1200.

So we know that the preparation ritual survived past the switch to unleavened bread.

 

[priestswife]

wow- that’s a lot of talking!