" it doesn't matter which church you go to"

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I get that reasoning from some of our separated brethren, including some family members. I boggle at the concept. It must have mattered to Martin Luther, or else he wouldn’t have started a church. If it doesn’t matter, why not go catholic. Or does it still not matter, with the catholic church being the exception to that rule? And why do they choose whatever church they go to, or change churches, if it doesn’t matter? By way of answer, they simply refer back to the original rule they cite of it not mattering. CIrcular logic.
 
I get that reasoning from some of our separated brethren, including some family members. I boggle at the concept. It must have mattered to Martin Luther, or else he wouldn’t have started a church. If it doesn’t matter, why not go catholic. Or does it still not matter, with the catholic church being the exception to that rule? And why do they choose whatever church they go to, or change churches, if it doesn’t matter? By way of answer, they simply refer back to the original rule they cite of it not mattering. CIrcular logic.
So, what do you mean, “it doesn’t matter”? For some, most of whom would not frequent a site such as this, they are perfectly content to be in the communion they were raised in.
The CCC speaks to this in 818-819
818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers . . . . All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church."272
819 "Furthermore, many elements of sanctification and of truth"273 are found outside the visible confines of the Catholic Church: "the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements."274 Christ’s Spirit uses these Churches and ecclesial communities as means of salvation, whose power derives from the fullness of grace and truth that Christ has entrusted to the Catholic Church. All these blessings come from Christ and lead to him,275 and are in themselves calls to "Catholic unity."276
The LCMS website makes clear that being a Catholic is being a Christian. So, the preface of your thread, *“If it doesn’t matter, why not go catholic. Or does it still not matter, with the catholic church being the exception to that rule?” * at least as far as Lutherans are concerned, is faulty.
For most who are here, and for whom doctrine matters, they would discount the idea that “it doesn’t matter”. Being in a heterdox communion has its dangers, but they are Christians, nonetheless.

As for me, with the exception of perhaps traditional Anglicanism, I could not be a member of another Protestant communion.

Jon
 
Jon,

I agree. Were I not a Continuing (Traditional) Anglican, I would join the MO Synod. I occassionally attend one of their churches when I can’t make it to my own.

Eut
 
Jon,

I agree. Were I not a Continuing (Traditional) Anglican, I would join the MO Synod. I occassionally attend one of their churches when I can’t make it to my own.

Eut
Thanks. I recently read a book by Louis Tarsitano, entitle “An Outline of the Anglican Life”. The views expressed on the Eucharist, and particularly the Sacraments not commonly held as such by Lutheranism to be very appealing.

Jon
 
Thanks. I recently read a book by Louis Tarsitano, entitle “An Outline of the Anglican Life”. The views expressed on the Eucharist, and particularly the Sacraments not commonly held as such by Lutheranism to be very appealing.

Jon
Jon, thanks for the suggestion. I’ll check it out.

Eut
 
In my community there are two distinct Christian groups. The Catholics and the Protestants. The Catholics seem to have the opinion that it’s okay to support their Protestant brethren (in my experience) whereas the Protestant community is very different.

You can hop between Protestant churches and your brothers and sisters won’t bat an eye but if you slide into a Catholic Church the entire Protestant community (here) freaks out.

When we have inter-denominational meetings (once a year) the United, Anglican, Luthern and Catholic Church are in attendance, the Baptist, Mormon, 7 Day Adventists, Pentecostals and Evangelicals never come. When we have the yearly Easter gathering on the hilltop the Catholics, United, Lutherns and Anglicans all gather together to celebrate the Risen Christ… the Baptists, Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, Pentecostals and Evangelicals do not join in.

I don’t know if this is a universal phenomenon. I just that’s how things are in this town.

Some denominations say: It doesn’t matter what church you go to… but their actions speak far louder then their words.

Earlier this year I made the decision to join the Catholic Church (after many years of spiritual darkness). Gradually people in the community are learning of my decision and one by one the attacks are slowly sneaking in from my Protestant brothers and sisters and even my Catholic brothers and sisters.

Honestly, I don’t feel it does matter what Church you attend as long as you love God and seek Him sincerely. But, you can’t mature if you’re drinking milk only…

Only one Church offers real meat.

… :\ That sounds really bad but I just don’t know how else to say it.
 
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I agree with your assessment of the Easter Sunrise Services and which churches attend and which ones don’t. It is the same in my town, and in the neighboring town that I grew up in.

The Protestant churches that attend are the most liberal, the ones that have moved the furthest from traditional morality.
 
As a Friend the denomination I attend only matters to me. What denomination you attend and profess is not an issue with me…I believe “that of God”…the “Light Within”…the “Light of Christ” indwells you as well…and you must walk in the Light and “mind the Light” as you are led. While the “mythology” of your expression of Christianity may be different than mine…I seek to “honor” and “speak to that of God” within you…when “that of God” in each of us is acknowledged and we see our unity is not in the denominational labels we wear…but in our relationship with God as demonstrated by how we treat our neighbor. It is the work of God within us that binds us together…not denominational ties.

I have found among the Society of Friends the best expression of Christianity and the one which makes the most sense to me…you must align to that tradition and or expression that makes your spiritual life “Real” and “True”…“Reality” and “Truth” are demonstrated…not just professed.
 
Yeah, it matters. For what I believe, a good many Protestant denominations are compatible. But a good many aren’t. Some are too conservative, some are too liberal, and some are in the right range on that but have other issues. I wouldn’t feel comfortable applying to be a member of a church that had major doctrinal differences that I felt strongly about. But, while I’m not willing to join just any church, I am willing to visit or work with any Christian church, including Catholic and Orthodox. I exclude only those that are so far off in doctrine as to qualify as cults.
 
When we have inter-denominational meetings (once a year) the United, Anglican, Luthern and Catholic Church are in attendance, the Baptist, Mormon, 7 Day Adventists, Pentecostals and Evangelicals never come. When we have the yearly Easter gathering on the hilltop the Catholics, United, Lutherns and Anglicans all gather together to celebrate the Risen Christ… the Baptists, Mormons, 7th Day Adventists, Pentecostals and Evangelicals do not join in.

I don’t know if this is a universal phenomenon. I just that’s how things are in this town.

Some denominations say: It doesn’t matter what church you go to… but their actions speak far louder then their words.
It’s not universal. I’m one Evangelical/Pentecostal who likes to attend Anglican and Lutheran services, and interdenominational meetings when I can. And it isn’t just me: my Assemblies of God congregation and pastor are very pro-ecumenical. You probably won’t see me at an Easter sunrise service, but that’s because I’m SO not a morning person. But a compline service, that’s likely. :flowers:
 
I get that reasoning from some of our separated brethren, including some family members. I boggle at the concept. It must have mattered to Martin Luther, or else he wouldn’t have started a church. If it doesn’t matter, why not go catholic. Or does it still not matter, with the catholic church being the exception to that rule? And why do they choose whatever church they go to, or change churches, if it doesn’t matter? By way of answer, they simply refer back to the original rule they cite of it not mattering. CIrcular logic.
I don’t think anyone claims that your choice of church doesn’t matter at all. It might sound that way, but here’s what we mean and why it comes across that way sometimes.

We claim that no church/institution can claim to play a normative and causative role in your salvation. In the process of emphatically negating this, some non-Catholics will say “It doesn’t matter what church you go to” (with regard to the possibility/probability of salvation). That’s the main qualifier, and there’s probably a few more that would be appropriate.

What they mean is “No one but God plays a causative role in my salvation; therefore, the question of which church can save me is a non-factor.”

We also believe no church entity can rightly claim to be the One True Church, which is very closely related to the aspect of the church’s role in your salvation. There are a variety of churches that claim this explicitly, not least of which is the CC. On occasion, however, you will run across a non-Catholic church that at least appears to embody this belief in some way. For the vast majority of Protestants, this is seen as arrogant and disrespectful. When it is done on a vast scale, it is seen as vast arrogance and vast disrespect.

Ie., “Only one church offers real meat.” Yeah, you know how you sound.

In that regard, the CC is not alone, but it is unmatched in its vastness. And it’s not like that’s the only reason non-Catholics avoid Catholicism.

That said, non-Catholic Christians often care a lot about their church homes for other reasons. But we don’t ever make a selection based on which church is supposed to be able to save us- so to be more precise, that particular aspect of what some churches claim to do not only doesn’t matter but doesn’t exist. What does matter is represented by a variety of criteria that varies from person to person based on their needs, what they have to offer, and their level of commitment (and some other things, but three’s enough for a basic list). Some have rather lax criteria that doesn’t ever coax them into exploring beyond the church they grew up in. Others have very stringent criteria that doesn’t allow them to settle down anywhere very long, and they can come across as overly critical. Most people fall in between, though- they care to a fairly significant degree, but not too much.
 
It must have mattered to Martin Luther, or else he wouldn’t have started a church.
:rolleyes: He didn’t. He was trying to clean up the “Mother” Church of his time. His followers eventually coalesced into “Lutheranism.”
 
Ie., “Only one church offers real meat.” Yeah, you know how you sound.

In that regard, the CC is not alone, but it is unmatched in its vastness. And it’s not like that’s the only reason non-Catholics avoid Catholicism.

That said, non-Catholic Christians often care a lot about their church homes for other reasons. But we don’t ever make a selection based on which church is supposed to be able to save us- so to be more precise, that particular aspect of what some churches claim to do not only doesn’t matter but doesn’t exist. What does matter is represented by a variety of criteria that varies from person to person based on their needs, what they have to offer, and their level of commitment (and some other things, but three’s enough for a basic list). Some have rather lax criteria that doesn’t ever coax them into exploring beyond the church they grew up in. Others have very stringent criteria that doesn’t allow them to settle down anywhere very long, and they can come across as overly critical. Most people fall in between, though- they care to a fairly significant degree, but not too much.
Yeah. :\ I just really didn’t know how else to put that. In my experience (and I realize this is not true of everyone) the Protestants I know are constantly seeking a church where they are comfortable. The moment the church they are attending requires something of them (to reconcile with their brothers and sisters, to be more involved, to commit) they immediately pack up and move to the next church. They are like children who balk whenever adult actions are required of them. I know several people in this community who no longer attend church at all because they worked their way through every denomination in town and judged them all inferior.

To be fair, many of the Catholics I know are children too. They just blindly follow without any real thought of what they’re doing. So it’s definitely not a Protestant phenomenon BUT I do believe Protestant churches require less of people (and thus encourage people to remain as children spiritually).

That’s just my experience though - maybe I’ve only ever been exposed to really lax churches or something. 🤷
 
All you need is a love for God and your fellow man. We are all Brothers and sisters. The only thing that matters is that one does not deny the trinity. When you deny all of it that is when you have gone wrong. We were all fashioned in his image and we were all commanded to love him, ourselves, and every one of his people. Pray for your Enemies and love your neighbor for we are all one and loved by God. Earth was made for us and Haven shall be made for us, and hell is a place without love not made for human beings. Nothing Matters but love, and you can’t have love without God 😛
 
Yeah. :\ I just really didn’t know how else to put that. In my experience (and I realize this is not true of everyone) the Protestants I know are constantly seeking a church where they are comfortable. The moment the church they are attending requires something of them (to reconcile with their brothers and sisters, to be more involved, to commit) they immediately pack up and move to the next church. They are like children who balk whenever adult actions are required of them. I know several people in this community who no longer attend church at all because they worked their way through every denomination in town and judged them all inferior.

To be fair, many of the Catholics I know are children too. They just blindly follow without any real thought of what they’re doing. So it’s definitely not a Protestant phenomenon BUT I do believe Protestant churches require less of people (and thus encourage people to remain as children spiritually).

That’s just my experience though - maybe I’ve only ever been exposed to really lax churches or something. 🤷
As people, I don’t think Catholic Christians are all that different from Protestant Christians. All other things being equal, most people will respond to a given environment in similar ways. For example, if a lifelong Protestant happens to live in a rural area where there’s only one or two churches within remotely acceptable driving distance and the neighbor-relationships are roughly synonymous with church-relationships, that Protestant will not balk like a child. And if a Catholic neighborhood happens to have an unusually high number of Catholic churches in the area that offer a wide variety of liturgical options while pushing a better-than-average level of involvement by the laity, Catholics in that area will probably be more likely to avail themselves of the opportunity to check out something a little different or see if there’s something they really want to get involved with at any one of the local parishes.
 
liturgical options? Aside from language spoken and possible choice of songs, the liturgy is the same in almost all catholic churches world-wde.
 
As people, I don’t think Catholic Christians are all that different from Protestant Christians. All other things being equal, most people will respond to a given environment in similar ways. For example, if a lifelong Protestant happens to live in a rural area where there’s only one or two churches within remotely acceptable driving distance and the neighbor-relationships are roughly synonymous with church-relationships, that Protestant will not balk like a child. And if a Catholic neighborhood happens to have an unusually high number of Catholic churches in the area that offer a wide variety of liturgical options while pushing a better-than-average level of involvement by the laity, Catholics in that area will probably be more likely to avail themselves of the opportunity to check out something a little different or see if there’s something they really want to get involved with at any one of the local parishes.
Absolutely. 🙂 I’m just speaking about my experience. Here there is only one Catholic parish. If you don’t like the priest or the people, it doesn’t matter. Your only option is to tough it out or become Protestant.

People are the same whether Protestant or Catholic but the environment here, in my town, forces Catholics to be a little bit more … how should I say it? Mature? in their actions? Because instead of running to the next new and better thing (church) they have to stick with it and work out their issues.

Honestly I feel there are just way too many churches. It breeds a really lazy attitude when it comes to interpersonal problems.

That’s a universal problem, neither Catholic or Protestant though.
 
Absolutely. 🙂 I’m just speaking about my experience. Here there is only one Catholic parish. If you don’t like the priest or the people, it doesn’t matter. Your only option is to tough it out or become Protestant.
I agree completely. I wish Protestants would do more toughing it. In one sense, it’s something we have to do but we don’t, and when we don’t, it’s a failure on our part. In another sense, it’s something we don’t do unless we really have to, and that’s kind of rare.
People are the same whether Protestant or Catholic but the environment here, in my town, forces Catholics to be a little bit more … how should I say it? Mature? in their actions? Because instead of running to the next new and better thing (church) they have to stick with it and work out their issues.
I have far more experience with having a plethora of options, but I do know some Protestants from more rural areas that approximate that situation in some ways. They tend to act in ways that you could predict from the situation- they have to stick with it, so they do it.
Honestly I feel there are just way too many churches. It breeds a really lazy attitude when it comes to interpersonal problems.
Some of the best advice I got early on in college was from a college group pastor about church attendance through college. That particular suburb was a little bit like the American equivalent of Vatican City for Evangelicals. The townies weren’t necessarily overly religious, but there’s a ridiculous amount of churches there and about 2/3 of the people there on Sunday mornings would come in from outside the city limits.

The advice was that we should take advantage of the opportunity to explore beyond our first 18 years of church experience, but don’t drag it out too long, do pick one place to stick with, and then get involved. He said that several times- anything from associate pastor to music ministry to Sunday School to youth ministry to children’s ministry, and see if you can find a place with needs that fit your abilities rather than the church that best serves your own needs. (Another attitude that lacks maturity and is all to common among Protestants). He also talked about how after college, we’ll definitely have more limited options, so it’d be good for us if we figured out ways to work through imperfections or conflicts of preference.

I wound up at another church where I could get more involved, and I think I had more problems to work through there than I did at the first one, but I took the advice with me and stayed engaged. It wound up leading to some bonding experiences with a number of people because we’d spend hours talking about different issues that were important to us- often while doing things that qualify as “getting involved,” too. That college pastor was right, too- I was able to use some of what I learned there after college at a different church. But that’s a little unusual, and even though it’s a good thing, it’s not something that comes naturally.

That said, I do think the condition of American denominationalism is something of a logical end to the process of separating church and state that has a lot to do with the overall narrative of US history. But the development of Protestant churches in America isn’t something that’s usually dealt with in a history class at most schools, so most people don’t have a good idea of why it developed this way. There are difficulties that we still have to work through and there’s ways in which certain unfortunate aspects of human nature are exposed, but it’s also a situation that came about in the course of dealing with other problems that we barely remember because we know so little about what they were or what we did about them.

I tend to see those things more as necessary evils within a system that arose in response to other kinds of needs. Currently, though, I think one of the greater needs for Protestants is more pastors like the first one I ran into at college.
 
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