Jacob was a schemer

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Jacob sinned -lied and tricked his father to get his blessing.
Isn’t God saying it is Ok to sin sometimes? God loved Jacob but hated Esau.
 
I’m sure the author of your nicknamesake has written about this in his Summa 😉
 
Summa II-II 110, “Whether every lie is a sin?” - read objection 3 and his response
 
Actually I’ll just post it here for convenience (answer in bold):
Objection 3. Further, the deeds of holy men are related in Sacred Writ that they may be a model of human life. But we read of certain very holy men that they lied. Thus (Genesis 12 and 20) we are told that Abraham said of his wife that she was his sister. Jacob also lied when he said that he was Esau, and yet he received a blessing (Genesis 27:27-29). Again, Judith is commended (Judith 15:10-11) although she lied to Holofernes. Therefore not every lie is a sin.
On the contrary, It is written (Sirach 7:14): “Be not willing to make any manner of lie.”
I answer that, An action that is naturally evil in respect of its genus can by no means be good and lawful, since in order for an action to be good it must be right in every respect: because good results from a complete cause, while evil results from any single defect, as Dionysius asserts (Div. Nom. iv). Now a lie is evil in respect of its genus, since it is an action bearing on undue matter. For as words are naturally signs of intellectual acts, it is unnatural and undue for anyone to signify by words something that is not in his mind. Hence the Philosopher says (Ethic. iv, 7) that “lying is in itself evil and to be shunned, while truthfulness is good and worthy of praise.” Therefore every lie is a sin, as also Augustine declares (Contra Mend. i).
**Reply to Objection 3. In Holy Writ, as Augustine observes (Lib. De Mend. v), the deeds of certain persons are related as examples of perfect virtue: and we must not believe that such persons were liars. If, however, any of their statements appear to be untruthful, we must understand such statements to have been figurative and prophetic. Hence Augustine says (Lib. De Mend. v): “We must believe that whatever is related of those who, in prophetical times, are mentioned as being worthy of credit, was done and said by them prophetically.” As to Abraham “when he said that Sara was his sister, he wished to hide the truth, not to tell a lie, for she is called his sister since she was the daughter of his father,” Augustine says (QQ. Super. Gen. xxvi; Contra Mend. x; Contra Faust. xxii). Wherefore Abraham himself said (Genesis 20:12): “She is truly my sister, the daughter of my father, and not the daughter of my mother,” being related to him on his father’s side. Jacob’s assertion that he was Esau, Isaac’s first-born, was spoken in a mystical sense, because, to wit, the latter’s birthright was due to him by right: and he made use of this mode of speech being moved by the spirit of prophecy, in order to signify a mystery, namely, that the younger people, i.e. the Gentiles, should supplant the first-born, i.e. the Jews.
Some, however, are commended in the Scriptures, not on account of perfect virtue, but for a certain virtuous disposition, seeing that it was owing to some praiseworthy sentiment that they were moved to do certain undue things. It is thus that Judith is praised, not for lying to Holofernes, but for her desire to save the people, to which end she exposed herself to danger. And yet one might also say that her words contain truth in some mystical sense.**
 
Jacob sinned -lied and tricked his father to get his blessing.
Isn’t God saying it is Ok to sin sometimes? God loved Jacob but hated Esau.
I think that a lot of this speaks to God’s plan of election. Not wanting to border on endorsing predestination, but St. Paul speaks on how before either child had done good or evil, God had for the completion of His divine plan chose Jacob, and nothing was going to thwart God’s plan, not even Jacob’s faults. I know this sounds like predestination, but it is Biblical. Some element of predistination is found in the Bible.
 
Jacob sinned -lied and tricked his father to get his blessing.
Isn’t God saying it is Ok to sin sometimes? God loved Jacob but hated Esau.
Well, I’d like to point out that the law was non-existent at this time so what God considered sin hasn’t yet been revealed to these people.

And from what I’ve read (if this needs to be corrected, feel free to do so), it sounds as if that when Esau sold his birthright to Jacob, he sold his blessing along with it.
 
Well, I’d like to point out that the law was non-existent at this time so what God considered sin hasn’t yet been revealed to these people.

And from what I’ve read (if this needs to be corrected, feel free to do so), it sounds as if that when Esau sold his birthright to Jacob, he sold his blessing along with it.
I believe he did, but Isaac didn’t know anything about that; thus, Jacob would have to trick him to get it.
 
Jacob sinned -lied and tricked his father to get his blessing.
Isn’t God saying it is Ok to sin sometimes? God loved Jacob but hated Esau.
Just another example of a Mother’s influence over her son. I’d be willing to bet Rebekah & Isaac had more than a couple of discussions as to who should receive the blessing. It’s obvious she loved Jacob.
 
I have hardly seen more definitive proof of a troll.
And your IQ is what?

was spoken in a mystical sense, because, to wit, the latter’s birthright was due to him by right: and he made use of this mode of speech being moved by the spirit of prophecy, in order to signify a mystery, namely, that the younger people, i.e. the Gentiles, should supplant the first-born, i.e. the Jews.

OK not stretching? Please read it.
 
Basically, let me spell it out… Jacob did lie but it wasn’t a mortal sin. So yeah sometimes it’s ok…um… God even makes good from evil. :rolleyes:
 
Jacob sinned -lied and tricked his father to get his blessing.
Isn’t God saying it is Ok to sin sometimes? God loved Jacob but hated Esau.
Well, Jacob was a liar and tricker. But God was patient with him.

Jacob represent Israel, the Jew. God showed favor to Israel. But they showed themselves treacherous, dishonest (Jacob, Judas, etc.). Favored by “The Lord of THIS world”- the Devil, based on trickery- the Father of Lies.

Esau represents the Europeans, the ‘hairy people’- those who are sincere and honest, and get a bad deal from the ‘god of this world’. “Blessed are you when the world hates you”.

So, I am sure Esau is in Heaven now. And Jacob’s children, Israel’s children, continue as liars, for doing the will of their Father, who is the Father of lies (Jn 8).
 
Well, Jacob was a liar and tricker. But God was patient with him.

Jacob represent Israel, the Jew. God showed favor to Israel. But they showed themselves treacherous, dishonest (Jacob, Judas, etc.). Favored by “The Lord of THIS world”- the Devil, based on trickery- the Father of Lies.

Esau represents the Europeans, the ‘hairy people’- those who are sincere and honest, and get a bad deal from the ‘god of this world’. “Blessed are you when the world hates you”.

So, I am sure Esau is in Heaven now. And Jacob’s children, Israel’s children, continue as liars, for doing the will of their Father, who is the Father of lies (Jn 8).
Whoa, a little crypto-anti-Semitism, perhaps?
 
Its easy for those ignorant of Scripture and ancient Hebrew culture to call Jacob as a liar and thief but I will explain what is going on.

It has to do with the right of the firstborn.

The first born son was entitled to inherit a double portion of his father’s estate, but with that right came responsibility to become the head of the household. The one with the birthright would get twice the inheritance of his siblings but he would be required to provide for the clan, feed and clothe everyone, protect them against harm and most importantly, to care for the children and the elderly.

Here is the key to the whole story…

When the boys grew up, Esau was a skilful hunter, a man of the field, while Jacob was a quiet man, dwelling in tents. (Genesis 25:27)

Rebekah knew that her husband Isaac was getting old and she didn’t want a shiftless man like Esau as head of the family. Esau was unstable, “a man of the field”, always away from home. Jacob on the other hand, was quiet, stable, “dwelling in tents.” Jacob stayed put, taking care of business at home, taking care of his mother, and not running around the countryside.

Dwelling in tents or staying at home in the Bible always represents stability while being out in the countryside always represents instability. That is the way Hebrew’s write, using symbolism and allegory to try to get their audience to think.

Rebekah was faced with the prospect of having Esau as head of the household and she knew that it meant doom. Those were rough times and they would have surely been attacked, robbed and killed while Esau was off somewhere. Rebekah did what she had to do in order to provide for her own welfare after her husband’s death - she secured the blessing and the birthright for her son Jacob and in so doing secured a stable and quiet man as head of the household and prevented an unstable man who was never home from destroying the family.

Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils, and he ate and drank, and rose and went his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright. (Genesis 25:34)

Esau despised his birthright. He hated it. He didn’t want to become head of the household and have to provide for and protect the family! What would you have done?

Remember that Jacob would later become Israel. God was providing a stable start to Israel in the person of Jacob. Imagine what the world would be like today if a man like Esau - never at home, loudmouthed, unstable - had become Israel.

Benedictine monks love this story. One of the vows of a Benedictine monk is stability. The promise to stay put. This story cuts right to the heart of their vow of stability.

-Tim-
 
Its easy for those ignorant of Scripture and ancient Hebrew culture to call Jacob as a liar and thief but I will explain what is going on.

It has to do with the right of the firstborn.

The first born son was entitled to inherit a double portion of his father’s estate, but with that right came responsibility to become the head of the household. The one with the birthright would get twice the inheritance of his siblings but he would be required to provide for the clan, feed and clothe everyone, protect them against harm and most importantly, to care for the children and the elderly.

Here is the key to the whole story…

When the boys grew up, Esau was a skilful hunter, a man of the field, while Jacob was a quiet man, dwelling in tents. (Genesis 25:27)

Rebekah knew that her husband Isaac was getting old and she didn’t want a shiftless man like Esau as head of the family. Esau was unstable, “a man of the field”, always away from home. Jacob on the other hand, was quiet, stable, “dwelling in tents.” Jacob stayed put, taking care of business at home, taking care of his mother, and not running around the countryside.

Dwelling in tents or staying at home in the Bible always represents stability while being out in the countryside always represents instability. That is the way Hebrew’s write, using symbolism and allegory to try to get their audience to think.

Rebekah was faced with the prospect of having Esau as head of the household and she knew that it meant doom. Those were rough times and they would have surely been attacked, robbed and killed while Esau was off somewhere. Rebekah did what she had to do in order to provide for her own welfare after her husband’s death - she secured the blessing and the birthright for her son Jacob and in so doing secured a stable and quiet man as head of the household and prevented an unstable man who was never home from destroying the family.

Then Jacob gave Esau bread and pottage of lentils, and he ate and drank, and rose and went his way. Thus Esau despised his birthright. (Genesis 25:34)

Esau despised his birthright. He hated it. He didn’t want to become head of the household and have to provide for and protect the family! What would you have done?

Remember that Jacob would later become Israel. God was providing a stable start to Israel in the person of Jacob. Imagine what the world would be like today if a man like Esau - never at home, loudmouthed, unstable - had become Israel.

Benedictine monks love this story. One of the vows of a Benedictine monk is stability. The promise to stay put. This story cuts right to the heart of their vow of stability.

-Tim-
I think you are imposing a characterization which simply isn’t in Scripture. Isaac loved Esau. You need to understand the use of allegory in the writings of Scripture. Consider the events of the narrative- Jacob tricked his father and his brother, at the instigation of a Rebecca (a reference to the Eve, of course).

The true symbolism of Esau ‘despising his birthright’ is that he, the symbol of the hairy person with lighter complexion and larger stature (the Western Christian), is not tied down with superstitions and formalism of Judaism/Israel/Jacob. Esau realizes the blessing obtained by trickery is actually a curse.

He realizes the a ‘birthright’ cannot be sold, so he couldn’t care less if Jacob imagines he cannot ‘buy it’ or trade it.

He knows who his father is. That is enough. He doesn’t need a ‘blessing’. It means nothing to him.

In the same way, Christians know the true God is our Father. We, like Esau, couldn’t care less about formalities of blessings, etc., while Israel/Jacob uses trickery to meaningless and false claims over a privilged place.

The story of Jacob shows the the foundation of Israel are deception. While Esau, the free one, the honest one, who serves his father, remains true and honorable in his actions, and is even merciful to Jacob.
 
I think, I often hear and thought the exoteric interpretation is that Jacob and Esau are not perfect - they are born in sin like everyone else. Jacob sinned but God made something good out of his evil act.

Problem is people might start running around doing evil things and saying God will make something good out of this. 🤷
 
The story of Jacob shows the the foundation of Israel are deception. While Esau, the free one, the honest one, who serves his father, remains true and honorable in his actions, and is even merciful to Jacob.
Romans 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. 14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?

20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
 
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