JAMES LIKOUDIS apologetics

[Peter_J]

Dear brother Peter,

You made this point elsewhere, and when I asked you for your explanation, you responded with a snide remark ,WITHOUT explanation. Now, you make the same point here. But as it is, I still don’t know what you’re getting at. Can you please concisely relate your statement to the two quotes you gave?

Thank you in advance.

Blessings,
Marduk

Suit yourself.

You said that we (Catholics and Orthodox) just need mutual understanding. Then you say that the nationalism problem in Eastern Orthodoxy is so bad that nationalism can be considered part of Eastern Orthodoxy’s nature.

“We’re both right … Oh, except that you’re completely wrong.”

Like I said before, a man is known by the company he keeps; and it’s looking to me like it would be a mistake for me to continue to keep company with you.

 

[ASimpleSinner]

Excuse me??

What is your question?

Suit yourself…

Like I said before, a man is known by the company he keeps; and it’s looking to me like it would be a mistake for me to continue to keep company with you.

That comes across as increadibly rude and nasty. Maybe some time away from the forum to cool down would NOT be such a bad idea.

 

[Peter_J]

Maybe some time away from the forum to cool down would NOT be such a bad idea.

Your suggestion is noted.

 

[mardukm]

Dear brother ASimpleSinner,

That comes across as increadibly rude and nasty. Maybe some time away from the forum to cool down would NOT be such a bad idea.

Thank you for your defense. It is much appreciated. I asked brother Peter for an explanation (in the other thread where he made the same remark), and then he simply responded with a snide comment. Now, he throws a character judgment on me. I don’t know where his anger his coming from.

Dear brother Peter,

I don;t know what I stated that is particularly bad. Some things which you may not have picked out in my statements during your rush to judgment:

1. Nationalism IS a problem in Eastern Orthodoxy, as even its head bishop (yes, I regard the EP as the head bishop within EO’xy, going by the canons of the undivided Church). recognizes.
2. There is not a single Eastern Orthodox Church that is NOT divided along national lines - so YES it is inherent. Part of the reason (I would even call it “problem”) for that is also the modern ecclesiology of EO’xy which is more democratic than the ecclesiology of the other Apostolic Churches. In that sense, it is also inherent.
3. I never said nationalism is a heresy, but I have repeated the views of others, simply to demonstrate that it is a popular view…

I don’t know if my explanation has helped you understand me more, but it seems like you are not interested in dialoguing. That is fine too.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Peter_J]

mardukm,

I felt that I owed it to you, for old-time’s sake (not to sound cliqued), to explain. I think I have now done that. (At the very least, I have tried to do so.)

Dear brother Peter,

I don;t know what I stated that is particularly bad. Some things which you may not have picked out in my statements during your rush to judgment:

1. Nationalism IS a problem in Eastern Orthodoxy, as even its head bishop (yes, I regard the EP as the head bishop within EO’xy, going by the canons of the undivided Church). recognizes.
2. There is not a single Eastern Orthodox Church that is NOT divided along national lines - so YES it is inherent. Part of the reason (I would even call it “problem”) for that is also the modern ecclesiology of EO’xy which is more democratic than the ecclesiology of the other Apostolic Churches. In that sense, it is also inherent.
3. I never said nationalism is a heresy, but I have repeated the views of others, simply to demonstrate that it is a popular view…

I don’t know if my explanation has helped you understand me more,

Yes, it is helpful; it just doesn’t address my complaint:

You said that we (Catholics and Orthodox) just need mutual understanding. Then you say that the nationalism problem in Eastern Orthodoxy is so bad that nationalism can be considered part of Eastern Orthodoxy’s nature. [emphasis added]

but it seems like you are not interested in dialoguing. That is fine too.

Blessings,
Marduk

I believe you’re reading more into what I said than was actually there.

-Peter.

 

[mardukm]

Dear brother Peter,

Thanks for your response

Yes, it is helpful; it just doesn’t address my complaint:

You said that we (Catholics and Orthodox) just need mutual understanding. Then you say that the nationalism problem in Eastern Orthodoxy is so bad that nationalism can be considered part of Eastern Orthodoxy’s nature.

I thought I did address it with the three points I brought up. I seriously do not know what more there is for me to understand.

And btw, I never made the syllogism you proposed.

Blessings,
Marduk

 

[Peter_J]

And btw, I never made the syllogism you proposed.

Syllogism? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Here’s what I said:

You said that we (Catholics and Orthodox) just need mutual understanding. Then you say that the nationalism problem in Eastern Orthodoxy is so bad that nationalism can be considered part of Eastern Orthodoxy’s nature. [emphasis added]

“We’re both right … Oh, except that you’re completely wrong.”

 

[mardukm]

Dear brother Peter,

Syllogism? Why are you putting words in my mouth? Here’s what I said:

There is Nationalism in Eastern Orthodoxy.

The Nationalism is SO bad.

Therefore, Nationalism is inherent within Eastern Orthodoxy.

That’s a syllogism. It is nothing bad, it is simply a rhetorical method. Why do I sense defensiveness (i.e., “putting words in my mouth”)?

Btw, I don’t understand your accusation of inconsistency because it is the Orthodox THEMSELVES who admit that Nationalism is a problem.

So, I must ask you - Do you still think I have stated something that is worthy to be criticized?

Blessings,
Marduk