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Is there any catholic rebuttels from Catholic Answers or any catholic online source that rebuttels the Jehovah’s Witness Awake! magazine’s accusations of the Trinity being pagan, unchristian, a doctrine in error, and a heresy? I don’t need it for myself but rather I’d like to print up the information in response to give to several people who have fallen prey to the JW heresy.

Anyone have any actual newspaper images of AWAKE! or a WatchTower publication that demonstrates they literally made false prophecies about the physical return of Jesus coming in the flesh? I know they try to side track the issue and make excuses.
 
Cyril_Of_Canada said:
I don’t need it for myself but rather I’d like to print up the information in response to give to several people who have fallen prey to the JW heresy.
Anyone have any actual newspaper images of AWAKE! or a WatchTower…
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**I would never call another religion a “heresy” because I think that this goes against our Teacher’s admonition to refrain from calling anyone a “renegade” (which meant a heretic.)
I went through the four links posted by Micosil and found these to be informative. What stood out to me is that all of the objections to the JW’s were about their theology and beliefs.
I did not notice any un-Christian practice noted except that the JWs might refer to Catholicism as a “heresy,” and I haven’t noticed that accusation being made by the JWs that I occasionally meet with.

The actual lifestyle of JWs seems to me to be just as Christian as anyone else’s. In my conversations with my JW friend, Eric, I asked if a JW would design, build, or deploy a nuclear weapon. His answer was an emphatic “No.”
Anyone who has noticed my rants on the End Times Speculation thread will know that I think that the world is headed for WW III, a global nuclear war, and that I think the creation of a nuclear weapon is more evil than the performance of an abortion.

Most Christian Churches do NOT have the slightest protocols in place which would prohibit any of their members from building or enabling a nuclear weapon.
If I had to choose between an Anglican that believed in that Church’s theology but was serving on an SSBN and a JW with his aberrant belief system but no involvement nuclear weapons, I would choose the JW every time.
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My only exposure to Jehovah’s Witnesses came from our next-door neighbors, who were, for all intents and purposes, a family of grifters. They caused a lot of trouble in the neighborhood. Their children lied about weird things, like giving away their dog when we could still see her being walked by the parents. They were forced to move suddenly, but still used the old address to have packages delivered, even after they sold the house!

After they left, we found out that their business was under investigation for fraud the entire time they lived next door to us.

Interestingly, neither they nor their associates attempted to convert us.
 
Modern_Revert said:
My only exposure to Jehovah’s Witnesses came from our next-door neighbors, who were, for all intents and purposes, a family of grifters. They caused a lot of trouble in the neighborhood. Their children lied about weird things, like giving away their dog when we could still see her being walked by the parents. They were forced to move suddenly, but still used the old address to have packages delivered, even after they sold the house!

After they left, we found out that their business was under investigation for fraud the entire time they lived next door to us.

Interestingly, neither they nor their associates attempted to convert us.
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That is very interesting, given that Jehovah’s Witnesses love to evangelize and win converts to their faith. I am assuming that their illegal activities may have made them keep their distance from people out of fear of being discovered.
 
jeffrey_erwin said:
**I would never call another religion a “heresy” because I think that this goes against our Teacher’s admonition to refrain from calling anyone a “renegade” (which meant a heretic.)
I went through the four links posted by Micosil and found these to be informative. What stood out to me is that all of the objections to the JW’s were about their theology and beliefs.
I did not notice any un-Christian practice noted except that the JWs might refer to Catholicism as a “heresy,” and I haven’t noticed that accusation being made by the JWs that I occasionally meet with.

The actual lifestyle of JWs seems to me to be just as Christian as anyone else’s. In my conversations with my JW friend, Eric, I asked if a JW would design, build, or deploy a nuclear weapon. His answer was an emphatic “No.”
Anyone who has noticed my rants on the End Times Speculation thread will know that I think that the world is headed for WW III, a global nuclear war, and that I think the creation of a nuclear weapon is more evil than the performance of an abortion.

Most Christian Churches do NOT have the slightest protocols in place which would prohibit any of their members from building or enabling a nuclear weapon.
If I had to choose between an Anglican that believed in that Church’s theology but was serving on an SSBN and a JW with his aberrant belief system but no involvement nuclear weapons, I would choose the JW every time.
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They denounce the Trinity as pagan-inspired and reject it as truth. I was under the understanding that anyone who holds this view as a christian is a heretic according to Orthodoxy.
 
Cyril_Of_Canada said:
They denounce the Trinity as pagan-inspired and reject it as truth. I was under the understanding that anyone who holds this view as a christian is a heretic according to Orthodoxy.
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That may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that our Sacred Teacher advised us to refrain from calling other people “renegades” which is the same as “heretic” in ancient terminology.
The JWs that I’ve met all seem to be respectable and outgoing. None of them will be responsible for either building or launching a nuclear weapon that burns to death millions of people.
But we cannot say the same for Anglicans, Lutherans, or Catholics.
 
jeffrey_erwin said:
That may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that our Sacred Teacher advised us to refrain from calling other people “renegades” which is the same as “heretic” in ancient terminology.
The JWs that I’ve met all seem to be respectable and outgoing. None of them will be responsible for either building or launching a nuclear weapon that burns to death millions of people.
But we cannot say the same for Anglicans, Lutherans, or Catholics.
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Do we the catholic and orthodox christian upon whether someone is a degree better than another?
 
jeffrey_erwin said:
That may be true, but it doesn’t change the fact that our Sacred Teacher advised us to refrain from calling other people “renegades” which is the same as “heretic” in ancient terminology.
The JWs that I’ve met all seem to be respectable and outgoing. None of them will be responsible for either building or launching a nuclear weapon that burns to death millions of people.
But we cannot say the same for Anglicans, Lutherans, or Catholics.
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We need to remember, a person may or may not be good, a person may or may not be implicitly or unknowingly following the correct moral precepts, regardless of what faith system they belong to. I have no doubt that most JWs are respectable, outgoing people. This doesn’t mean however, that their faith system contains the fullness of the truth. It only means that like all men, they have God’s law written in their hearts (Hebrews 8:10; Romans 2:15) and are capable of good deeds. 🤷

Whether none of them will be part of bellic projects and deeds, I do not know – probably most won’t, I’ll grant that. Now, I won’t speak for Anglicans, Lutherans or Protestants in general. However, if it’s the Catholic doctrine of Just War that you have an issue with, remember that there’s very strict requirements for a war to be considered just:
  • the damage inflicted by the aggressor on the nation or community of nations must be lasting, grave, and certain;
  • all other means of putting an end to it must have been shown to be impractical or ineffective;
  • there must be serious prospects of success;
  • the use of arms must not produce evils and disorders graver than the evil to be eliminated. The power of modern means of destruction weighs very heavily in evaluating this condition.
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**My criticism was not with the Catholic doctrine of “Just War.” I merely wanted to point out that most Christian Churches have absolutely no protocols in place that would prohibit their members from either designing, building, or deploying a nuclear weapon.

I also stated my belief that nuclear weapons are just as evil as abortion if not more. These threaten to cause the death of every single man, woman, and child on the face of the planet.
Whatever the aberrant creeds of the JWs may be, they don’t threaten do do this.**
 
jeffrey_erwin said:
My criticism was not with the Catholic doctrine of “Just War.” I merely wanted to point out that most Christian Churches have absolutely no protocols in place that would prohibit their members from either designing, building, or deploying a nuclear weapon…
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Material things are not, in and of themselves, evil. They are morally neutral. It is the USE they are put towards that determines the morality, and even then it is the ACT that is moral or immoral, not the item.

For example, if a nuclear warhead was used to deflect an asteroid that was heading towards Earth, that would be a praiseworthy act. The design, construction or use of that device would not be contrary to Catholic teaching, rather, it would be worthy of praise from Church authorities.

The indiscriminate use against civilian populations would be prohibited by Catholic teaching.
 

50,000,000 - 55,000,000 aborted babies. You speak of a theoretical nuclear war that may never happen. The abortion numbers are real.
I don’t know how you can’t see this. And, whose to say that a JW may never build or design a weapon of mass destruction? You can’t predict that. Can you read minds, or see the future?
 
Brendan said:
Material things are not, in and of themselves, evil. They are morally neutral. It is the USE they are put towards that determines the morality, and even then it is the ACT that is moral or immoral, not the item.
For example, if a nuclear warhead was used to deflect an asteroid that was heading towards Earth, that would be a praiseworthy act. The design, construction or use of that device would not be contrary to Catholic teaching, rather, it would be worthy of praise from Church authorities.
The indiscriminate use against civilian populations would be prohibited by Catholic teaching.
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Catholics, Jews, and Anglicans have built and stand ready to deploy a weapons system that has the potential to cause the extinction of the human race.
If one wants to call this system “morally neutral,” then I must respectfully disagree. It’s an evil system that has no place in a Christian society.
Its very existence is offensive to our Creator, who will create the necessary circumstances to cause us to actually use these horrible weapons.

The nations have sunk into a pit of their own making,
they are caught by the feet in the snare they set themselves.
YHWH has . . .trapped the wicked in the work of their own hands.
 
jeffrey_erwin said:
Catholics, Jews, and Anglicans have built and stand ready to deploy a weapons system that has the potential to cause the extinction of the human race.
If one wants to call this system “morally neutral,” then I must respectfully disagree. It’s an evil system that has no place in a Christian society.
Its very existence is offensive to our Creator, who will create the necessary circumstances to cause us to actually use these horrible weapons.

The nations have sunk into a pit of their own making,
they are caught by the feet in the snare they set themselves.
YHWH has . . .trapped the wicked in the work of their own hands.
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A material object cannot make a moral decision. Only rational persons can.

So yes, the object is morally neutral.

Everything you described is an act by persons, not of objects.

In the example that I gave, that of diverting an asteroid using a nuclear device, where is the moral wrong. What part of that would be offensive to God?
 
jeffrey_erwin said:
**I would never call another religion a “heresy” because I think that this goes against our Teacher’s admonition to refrain from calling anyone a “renegade” (which meant a heretic.) .
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You have mentioned that twice now.

I am assuming that you are referring to Galatians 1:6

If so, you can see exactly how this does apply to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, for they have denied the Divinity of Christ and thus deserted him. Per Paul, those who do are accursed ( Gal 1:8)
 
JRS_88 said:
50,000,000 - 55,000,000 aborted babies. You speak of a theoretical nuclear war that may never happen. The abortion numbers are real.
I don’t know how you can’t see this. And, whose to say that a JW may never build or design a weapon of mass destruction? You can’t predict that. Can you read minds, or see the future?
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**I never said that abortion wasn’t an evil thing, but, evil as it is, such does not threaten to wipe out the human race. As for a JW building a WMD, that’s just silly.
They are forbidden to volunteer for any duty that would involve the death or injury of another human being.

And for “seeing the future,” I believe in our Holy Scriptures which, to me at least, clearly indicate our coming global nuclear war. See;

Psalm 9:15-16 (above)

Isaiah 2;10,18,21:
Go into the hollows of the rocks,
into the caverns of the earth,
at the sight of the terror of YHWH,
at the brilliance of His majesty . …**

Isaiah 66:15-16
and
Jeremiah 25:32-33 (below)
 
Brendan said:
I am assuming that you are referring to Galatians 1:6
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With all due respect to St. Paul, I have to give precedence to our Holy Teacher’s instruction given in Matthew 5:23.
In regard to the meaning of the word “Renegade,” my Jerusalem Bible notes that "Apostasy was the most repulsive of all sins."
 
Brendan said:
A material object cannot make a moral decision. Only rational persons can.

So yes, the object is morally neutral.

Everything you described is an act by persons, not of objects.

In the example that I gave, that of diverting an asteroid using a nuclear device, where is the moral wrong. What part of that would be offensive to God?
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**OK. Let me put it this way: The act of building and deploying a weapons system that is capable of killing every human being on the face of the earth was and continues to be morally wrong, evil in the worst way.
But most Christians have never been prohibited by their Churches form engaging in that evil activity. In that respect, at least, the JWs are better than the rest of us. **
 
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