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mario22
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Some protestants , told me that it is wrong to pray to Mary because of that verse! How do I respond?
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jlhargus
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[Jer17:55 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.]Some protestants , told me that it is wrong to pray to Mary because of that verse! How do I respond?
What reason are they giving you. I will guess, “Cursed be the man that trusteth in man,”. If this is their objection ask them if they are trusting in man when they ask their pastor or anyone in their congregation to pray for them.
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jcrichton
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Hi, Mario!Some protestants , told me that it is wrong to pray to Mary because of that verse! How do I respond?
…here’s the passage:
(Jeremiah 17:5)5 ‘Yahweh says this: ‘A curse on the man who puts his trust in man, who relies on things of flesh, whose heart turns from Yahweh.
Any Catholic prayer involves to things: a) the person, and b) God.
Seeking the assistance of the Virgin to pray for us does not mean that we believe that she is God or a god–ask them why they think that it’s ok to ask their pastors (sinners that they are) and brethren (sinners that they are) to pray for or with them? Why don’t they simply go directly to God?
Maran atha!
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animalis
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In many cases, when we take one verse in isolation we fail to consider other verses that would contradict it. And so, the person distorts the meaning of divine revelation. (cf. 2 Pet 3:16)
There are others verses to consider such as:
“BE ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ.” (1 Cor 11:1)
“He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.” (Lk 10:16)
In addition for those of reasonable minds:
"Be especially attentive ‘to the content and unity of the whole Scripture’ (Catechism of Catholic Church 112)
“Be attentive to the analogy of faith. By “analogy of faith” we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.” (Ibid. 114)
There are others verses to consider such as:
“BE ye followers of me, as I also am of Christ.” (1 Cor 11:1)
“He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.” (Lk 10:16)
In addition for those of reasonable minds:
"Be especially attentive ‘to the content and unity of the whole Scripture’ (Catechism of Catholic Church 112)
“Be attentive to the analogy of faith. By “analogy of faith” we mean the coherence of the truths of faith among themselves and within the whole plan of Revelation.” (Ibid. 114)
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Benadam
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Wait, but the Lord trusted in man. He called Himself Son of Man a lot. He trusted the flesh of man. He did this when He began developing in His mothers womb. Although her heart never departed from the Lord. The Lord never departed her heart.Jer17:55 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
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De_Maria
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Jeremiah 17:5 Thus saith the Lord: Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.
Some protestants , told me that it is wrong to pray to Mary because of that verse! How do I respond?
I would say,
If Jesus, who is our Lord and Saviour and our example, whom we should follow in every way, if He relied upon Mary and asked her for clothing, for food, for love and all that He needed as her child, why wouldn’t you? Are you better than Jesus?
As for Jeremiah, that is part of the Old Testament and has been fulfilled. In the New Testament, God says:
James 5:16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.17 Elias was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months.
18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth brought forth her fruit.
Therefore, if St. James recommends us to pray for the intercession of Father Elias (i.e. Elijah), why should we not be able to pray for the intercession of the woman who brought Christ into the world. Especially when Jesus Christ gave her to us as our Mother?
John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
Those who are Christ’s beloved disciples will take Mary into their hearts and accept her as our mother, because Christ gave her to us as such.
I hope that helps.
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Hereiam
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Sometimes, in dealing with others on matters of Catholic faith, practices, and theology, it is best not to respond…especially if the person asking the question is looking not so much for an explanation as a debate to justify their beliefs by finding fault in yours.
We are all called, and equipped to evangelize. We are not all called or equipped to be apologists. Leave apologetics to those with that skill set.
Many Protestants, especially evangelicals, are very, very skilled and articulate in apologetics. And, if you enter into debate with them, they are likely to eat your lunch!
But, if you perceive the person asking the question as earnestly seeking an explanation, and not fodder for an argument, explain the rationale the best you can, using some of the excellent answers you have heard here from other posters.
One more word of advice…if you don’t know an answer to a question posed by a non-Catholic, sometimes the best answer is, “I’m not sure”, “I don’t know”, or “Its difficult for me to explain it”, and find the resources for both you and the other person to answer the question adequately.
We are all called, and equipped to evangelize. We are not all called or equipped to be apologists. Leave apologetics to those with that skill set.
Many Protestants, especially evangelicals, are very, very skilled and articulate in apologetics. And, if you enter into debate with them, they are likely to eat your lunch!
But, if you perceive the person asking the question as earnestly seeking an explanation, and not fodder for an argument, explain the rationale the best you can, using some of the excellent answers you have heard here from other posters.
One more word of advice…if you don’t know an answer to a question posed by a non-Catholic, sometimes the best answer is, “I’m not sure”, “I don’t know”, or “Its difficult for me to explain it”, and find the resources for both you and the other person to answer the question adequately.
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Trishie
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The wedding feast of Cana is the most direct indication that God accepts Mary’s intercession.
Jesus Himself demonstrated His approval of Mary’s intercession, but accepting it, and responding to it:
In scripture we see the first example of Mary’s intercession
She was in the presence of God Incarnate, the Lord Jesus,
and He not only accepted it,
but he acceded to her request and grant the first recorded miracle of Jesus,
even though He had protested that it was not yet time for signs, miracles.
Therefore we have Jesus own approval of His Mother as intercessor for others in need.
Therefore we ask her prayers, just as you would ask the prayer of another person, except that Mary was so good that the Angel called her blessed. Luke 1
It wasn’t even a matter of life or death,
just possible loss of face of the hosts,
of the wedding feast of Cana.
John 2 Jesus Changes Water Into Wine
" 1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”
4 “Woman,[a] why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.”
5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.
7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.
8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”
They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
11What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him." [John 2:1-11]
Who can argue with Jesus who responded to His mother’s faith and intercession for others in need?!
Jesus Himself demonstrated His approval of Mary’s intercession, but accepting it, and responding to it:
In scripture we see the first example of Mary’s intercession
She was in the presence of God Incarnate, the Lord Jesus,
and He not only accepted it,
but he acceded to her request and grant the first recorded miracle of Jesus,
even though He had protested that it was not yet time for signs, miracles.
Therefore we have Jesus own approval of His Mother as intercessor for others in need.
Therefore we ask her prayers, just as you would ask the prayer of another person, except that Mary was so good that the Angel called her blessed. Luke 1
It wasn’t even a matter of life or death,
just possible loss of face of the hosts,
of the wedding feast of Cana.
John 2 Jesus Changes Water Into Wine
" 1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”
4 “Woman,[a] why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.”
5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”
6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.
7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.
8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”
They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”
11What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him." [John 2:1-11]
Who can argue with Jesus who responded to His mother’s faith and intercession for others in need?!
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