Jesuits and the L.O.C

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Dr. Bombay:
Agreed. There’s different types of homosexuals too. Active homosexuals, formerly active homosexuals and men attracted to men who have never actually had sex with a man. One “yes or no” question can’t weed all of them out.
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Trouble is, even a ‘chaste’ homosexual is still a homosexual; homsexuality is a mental health disorder, not a preferance. All homosexuals must be prevented from professional occupations which require clarity of thought and emotional stability, which is why they are denied access to strategic government departments and occupations.

Homosexuals are priority targets by foreign espionage offices.
 
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yinekka:
The Legionaries of Christ and the Jesuits are two separate orders.
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The Legionaries of Christ and the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) are both religious congregations not religious orders. The Franciscans, Dominicans, and Carthusians are examples of religious orders.

The Legionaries of Christ have a different charism than the Society of Jesus. Both can do great good for the Church!
 
Adam, there are Jesuits and there are Jesuits. Province means a lot. Contact James V. Schall at Georgetown (go to the University web site and look him up. Schall writes for Crisis - which mean’s he’s Catholic. I’m sure he can point you in the right direction.
 
I am very familiar with a number of L.C. priests and brothers. Our bishop (St. Augustine, FL) has welcomed them to minister in our diocese. I have my sons involved in a youth program run by the L.C.s. The boys’ club meets weekly at a local parish and is run by us Dads. None of the L.C. priests actually live in the area, so they set up the boys’ clubs and provide materials (Gospel reflections and structured activities) and then they have regional weekend boys’ retreats run by a L.C. priest and one or two L.C. brothers who are studying to be priests.

They encourage the Dads to attend the weekend with their sons. We just had one in Central Florida with about 50 boys and 15 dads. I’ve been on five of these retreats with three of my four sons (my youngest is not old enough yet). I also have participated in the local boys’ club.

I must say that the L.C. program is perfectly suited for boys. At both the club meetings and retreats they mix it about 75/25 sports and physical activities to spiritual activities, which is about the right ratio for boys. They are very orthodox and balanced and it is the only place where my sons have had a priest ask them to consider whether God has a vocation for them. I went to Catholic school through high school and was never asked this by a priest.

All the L.C. priests I have met are young (under 40 yrs) and they encourage the boys to be boys. I like that. These young men get into the sporting activities with the kids and are great role models. I believe that there will be vocations out of our club just because of the positive influence of the L.C. priests.

On the spiritual side, Mass is said every day during the retreat and is portrayed as the most important part of the weekend. Rosary and prayers are said daily, confession is offered throughout the weekend, there is a daily Gospel reflection given by the priest or brother, and Dads are encouraged to get involved in all aspects of the retreat.

Some have criticized the L.C.s for being controlling and aggressive in their “recruiting” and I don’t doubt that some of the stories of young men feeling this and leaving the seminary or school are true. However, it is all perspective. The L.C.s are serious about their mission and they are intense in their desire to win souls. They encourage the boys and dads to go out into the world and share Jesus with their friends and family. They believe that there are many evil forces that try to destroy each vocation, therefore, they are protective of their vocations. I suppose if someone doesn’t have a true vocation or if their spirituality isn’t a fit with the L.C.s, then this could come across as controlling. There is a fine line between discipline and control and that line is often blurred by individual perspective.

Sorry to be so long, but having had so much first-hand knowledge of the L.C.s, I wouldn’t want you to avoid them based on heresay. I agree with previous posters who advised you to contact each order you are considering and spend time with them.

BTW, the L.C.s have a lay organization called Regnum Christi. Although approached about joining, I decided not to after much prayer and consideration. It is a very demanding program that I felt would take me away from my family too much. It is an intense spiritual lifestyle that has also come under criticism by those who have joined without giving it serious consideration and then found it to be too much. But, again, it’s all perspective. Those that I know who are committed members love the program.

Blessings
 
Kevin Walker:
The Society of Jesus (a.k.a. The dreaded Jesuits) were formed in 1600 by ex-soldier Francis Loyola as a no-nonsense orthodox Catholic Priesthood with the special task of quelching the Protestant reformation through higher intelligence and scholarship plus the Inquisition. The Jesuits were a swat team against protestants.
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That would be Ignio Lopez de Loyola, not Francis. Iñigo was named after the 11th century Benedictine saint and abbot of Oña near Burgos in Spain. It was forty years later, during his student years at Paris that Iñigo, in addition to his baptismal name, adopted the more familiar name of Ignatius

(…and out of tremendous respect and love for dozens of Jesuits who were vital to my education and the two who performed my marriage I always refer to them as “the beloved Jesuits.”)
 
Jesuits also didn’t have much to do with the Inquisition, as far as I know; they were founded considerably before 1600, in the late 1530s. St Ignatius’ original motive was to convert Moslems - the Jesuits’ counter-Reformation activities came a little later.

Jesuits do vary enormously. My parish church is run by Jesuits, and in the seven years I’ve been there we’ve had two different parish priests and quite a number of assistants. They’ve ranged from very orthodox and Eucharistic-focused to one whose homilies are generally about how the NT wasn’t written by anyone in particular (it was the Early Christian Community) and how lucky we all are to have escaped the Bad Old Days of pre-Vatican II. I don’t think that in England, at least, one could assume anything about Jesuits!

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Thanks for all the responses, its been a great help!

A point on this history though. The jesuits were key in the counter-reformation, but not the inquisition (people try and assume these are the same things when they ae entirely different)

Ignatius (not Francis) of Loyola was actually questioned by the inquisition a few times before the founding of the jesuits in 1540 (not 1600) and was done primarily for mission work and the propogation of faith.
 
Adam S:
Thanks for all the responses, its been a great help!

A point on this history though. The jesuits were key in the counter-reformation, but not the inquisition (people try and assume these are the same things when they ae entirely different)

Ignatius (not Francis) of Loyola was actually questioned by the inquisition a few times before the founding of the jesuits in 1540 (not 1600) and was done primarily for mission work and the propogation of faith.
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Any Catholic Priest, monk, or friar suspected of heresy would get a whiff of the inquisition, not just Protestants or Jews or witches or blatant heretics. The Jesuits were on the front line of the inquisitions with the Benedictines and Dominicans. *ouch, ouch ouch, :eek: *
 
Kevin Walker:
Trouble is, even a ‘chaste’ homosexual is still a homosexual; homsexuality is a mental health disorder, not a preferance. All homosexuals must be prevented from professional occupations which require clarity of thought and emotional stability, which is why they are denied access to strategic government departments and occupations.

Homosexuals are priority targets by foreign espionage offices.
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Yes, any man that has same-sex attraction should be excluded from the priesthood, even if he’s never acted on those attractions. So, why can’t our bishops see this? :nope:

On another issue, you mentioned you were “exploring”…have you looked into Clear Creek Monastery? It’s a traditional ('62 Mass) monastery associated with a Benedictine Abbey in France. EWTN did a neat show on the French Abbey a few weeks ago. Anyway, a couple of times a year some members of our parish go down to Oklahoma for a workday to help the monks out. It’s kind of a father-son male bonding thing. Since I don’t have any children I’ve never gone, but I’ve heard nothing but good things about the monks. They do allow visitors, so I’m considering driving down there for a few days later this summer, just to get away from all this madness.

OK may not be anywhere near where you are, but just a suggestion…:tiphat:
 
Yes, now I see you’re from Boston, so Oklahoma’s not really convenient for you. :o

I’ll try to pay closer attention in the future. Go Sox! 😃
 
Dr. Bombay:
Yes, any man that has same-sex attraction should be excluded from the priesthood, even if he’s never acted on those attractions. So, why can’t our bishops see this? :nope:
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Vatican’s glossary, the Lexicon On Ambiguous and Colloquial Terms about Family Life and Ethical Questions declared that homosexuality stems from an “unresolved psychological conflict.”

So to repeat the obvious truth, even if a homosexual is chaste, they are still mentally irrational! Homosexuals must not be tolerated whatsoever in the Catholic Priesthood. :nope:

Thank you for the Benedictine Abbey information in France, I have checked out information on two Benedictine Abbeys in the U.S.
 
Kevin Walker:
Are you familiar with the number of Jesuits arrested in Boston for sexual abuse?
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**I’ve run across a few bad apples but I still eat apples. **
Some trains jump the track but I still ride trains.
**** The Jesuits I personally know are great. If I ran across a bad
one I’d be the first to turn him in.
 
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