Jesus a prophet

[DEESYPAL]

What did Jesus mean when in Mark 6:4 he said,

‘A prophet is respected everywhere except in his own home town and by his relatives and his family’

I know Jesus is the son of GOD, but is it ok to refer to him as a prophet as well.

 

[MaggieOH]

What do you understand by the word “prophet”?

MaggieOH

 

[DEESYPAL]

I guess a prophet is one who sees in to the future isnt it?

 

[juno24]

DEESYPAL:

I guess a prophet is one who sees in to the future isnt it?

A prophet is one who speaks via divine inspiration; one through whom the word of God is delivered. In this instance it is not inappropriate for Jesus to refer to Himself as a prophet, but of course He was much more than just a vehicle for the delivery of the Word of God, He was the Word itself.
Have a great day!
Judy

 

[Faithful_One]

juno24:

A prophet is one who speaks via divine inspiration; one through whom the word of God is delivered. In this instance it is not inappropriate for Jesus to refer to Himself as a prophet, but of course He was much more than just a vehicle for the delivery of the Word of God, He was the Word itself.
Have a great day!
Judy

Excellent response, Juno.

 

[Faithful_One]

DEESYPAL:

What did Jesus mean when in Mark 6:4 he said,

‘A prophet is respected everywhere except in his own home town and by his relatives and his family’

Remember the context here (from the previous verses):
“And he went out from thence, and went into his own country”
(Obviously where he grew up).
Those of the his town (and even his immediate family) had lots of trouble accepting his authority since they knew his entire family and saw him grow up:
They said (vs.3):
“Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him”.

This is a very clear reference to Christ’s natural family, although there are many individuals who try to deny these scriptural references to Christ’s natural brothers & sisters and try to find historical reasons why this must refer to his extended family like cousins, etc.(I find this idea is usually promoted by those who are advancing the idea of Mary’s continued virginity after Christ’s birth - without scriptural authority mind you).

John confirms this fact, …“neither did his brethren believe in him”. (Jn. 7:5)

I find there is no reason to appeal to general historical reasons why ‘brothers’ and ‘sisters’ might mean ‘cousins’, etc. unless one has decided in advance to promote Mary’s continued virginity, clearly without any scriptural reference to it, especially when the context of the scripture clearly indicates otherwise. However, that is not the point here specifically.

The attitude Jesus later conveys to his disciples is clearly indicated as he shows the priority that his disciples must establish in order to follow him:

“If any man come to me and hate not his father,and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, and even his own life also, he cannot be my disciple”. (Lu.14:26)

Jesus practiced what he preached when his mother and brothers came looking for him while he was preaching:
“Then one said unto him (Jesus), Behold thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee. BUT he answered and said unto them, ‘Who is my mother and my brethren?’ And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, 'Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of mo father in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.”

I know Jesus is the son of GOD, but is it ok to refer to him as a prophet as well.

Yes, as long as you don’t ignore the fact, as Islam does, that he is more imporantly the Savior of the world through his shed blood on the cross.
FaithfulOne

 

[Joan_M]

Faithful One:

They said (vs.3):
“Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him”.

**This is a very clear reference to Christ’s natural family, although there are many individuals who try to deny these scriptural references to Christ’s natural brothers & sisters and try to find historical reasons why this must refer to his extended family like cousins, etc.(I find this idea is usually promoted by those who are advancing the idea of Mary’s continued virginity after Christ’s birth - without scriptural authority mind you). **

John confirms this fact, …“neither did his brethren believe in him”. (Jn. 7:5)

I find there is no reason to appeal to general historical reasons why ‘brothers’ and ‘sisters’ might mean ‘cousins’, etc. unless one has decided in advance to promote Mary’s continued virginity, clearly without any scriptural reference to it, especially when the context of the scripture clearly indicates otherwise. However, that is not the point here specifically.

FaithfulOne

“Faithful One” - your profile states that you are a Catholic, but portions of your response, highlighted in purple above show clearly that you are not. You stated **However, that is not the point here specifically. **Actually, that is, indeed your point - introducing a totally non-Catholic untruth. Please do not do this.

Be honest - change your profile to state your true religion and change your name - you are not faithful.

 

[Faithful_One]

“Faithful One” - your profile states that you are a Catholic, but portions of your response, highlighted in purple above show clearly that you are not. You stated **However, that is not the point here specifically. **Actually, that is, indeed your point - introducing a totally non-Catholic untruth. Please do not do this.

Be honest - change your profile to state your true religion and change your name - you are not faithful.

Thanks for your post, Joan.
I am Catholic raised all my life.
That, however, should not muzzle me into agreeing with someone who claims something is stated in Scripture when it in reality it is not. (I’m not referrring to this post specifically). It may be in Catholic teaching from some other source or from tradition but if it is not in Scripture honesty should, in the least, demand I recognize it as such.

However, having said that, it probably would have been best to not address it in this post since we have such a wonderful discusion in another thread; it was probably my mistake to allow those related ideas to carryover into this one.

In dealing with the issue of "if you are Catholic’, I would like to remind you that the Creed makes no statement about whether Jesus had natural brothers and sisters (after his virgin birth), only that he was Virgin born (of which I totally ascribe), and belief that Jesus had natural brothers and sisters in no way reflects upon one’s faithfulness toward God or the teaching of the Scripture.

Faithful One

 

[Joan_M]

Faithful One:

Thanks for your post, Joan.
I am Catholic raised all my life.

In dealing with the issue of "if you are Catholic’, I would like to remind you that the Creed makes no statement about whether Jesus had natural brothers and sisters (after his virgin birth), only that he was Virgin born (of which I totally ascribe), and belief that Jesus had natural brothers and sisters in no way reflects upon one’s faithfulness toward God or the teaching of the Scripture.

Faithful One

Faithful One - the Perpetual Virginity of Mary is a Dogma of the Church, and, therefore, if you reject this, you are rejecting the Catholic Church. The belief that Jesus had natural brothers and sisters does, indeed, reflect on your faithfulness toward God and His Church. Take great care - heresy is very dangerous to your soul. You cannot reject any Dogma of the Church without entering into heresy.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

DEESYPAL:

I guess a prophet is one who sees in to the future isnt it?

There is very little in the Biblical prophets that could be described as that - not nothing, but very little. What prophets usually do is apply the Will of God as made known to them to particular situations in society - Nathan, Gad, Iddo, Elijah, Micaiah, Isaiah and the rest “spoke to” situations and people to declare God’s Will and God’s judgement. They were not foretellers, but forthtellers.​

Agabus in Acts is more like the foretelling type of prophet, or so it seems.

FWIW, Jesus is a prophet - the Lord of them, and the supreme among them. Which is perhaps why Moses and Elijah were seen with Him at His Transfiguration: He summed up in Himself both the Law and the prophetic office. ##

 

[rheins2000]

Faithful One:

Thanks for your post, Joan.
I am Catholic raised all my life.
That, however, should not muzzle me into agreeing with someone who claims something is stated in Scripture when it in reality it is not. (I’m not referrring to this post specifically). It may be in Catholic teaching from some other source or from tradition but if it is not in Scripture honesty should, in the least, demand I recognize it as such.

However, having said that, it probably would have been best to not address it in this post since we have such a wonderful discusion in another thread; it was probably my mistake to allow those related ideas to carryover into this one.

In dealing with the issue of "if you are Catholic’, I would like to remind you that the Creed makes no statement about whether Jesus had natural brothers and sisters (after his virgin birth), only that he was Virgin born (of which I totally ascribe), and belief that Jesus had natural brothers and sisters in no way reflects upon one’s faithfulness toward God or the teaching of the Scripture.

Faithful One

 

[rheins2000]

Faithful One:

Thanks for your post, Joan.
I am Catholic raised all my life.
That, however, should not muzzle me into agreeing with someone who claims something is stated in Scripture when it in reality it is not. (I’m not referrring to this post specifically). It may be in Catholic teaching from some other source or from tradition but if it is not in Scripture honesty should, in the least, demand I recognize it as such.

However, having said that, it probably would have been best to not address it in this post since we have such a wonderful discusion in another thread; it was probably my mistake to allow those related ideas to carryover into this one.

In dealing with the issue of "if you are Catholic’, I would like to remind you that the Creed makes no statement about whether Jesus had natural brothers and sisters (after his virgin birth), only that he was Virgin born (of which I totally ascribe), and belief that Jesus had natural brothers and sisters in no way reflects upon one’s faithfulness toward God or the teaching of the Scripture.

Faithful One

Question: Where do you get this nonsense from?

The Creed also doesn’t say that we should not worship the devil…should we then worship the devil…don’t use the creed to limit what is to be believed.

You’re telling us what the Bible means by “brother”…where do you get your authority from to make such a heretical assertion that Mary had sons other than Christ? You were not raised Catholic if you were raised to believe that.

“It may be in Catholic teaching…but if it is not in Scripture…”

Who do you think was the author, definer, and keeper of the Scriptures? Who gave you the Scriptures? Learn your Bible history if you are going to put the jeopardy your eternal soul on what it says…then you will find out that you personally do not decide what certain passages written 2000 years ago, and translated, re-translated, copied and re-copied, mean.

Calling yourself Catholic and going around telling other people that the ark of the eternal and new covenant, the womb that bore Life himself, the flesh that bore the very flesh of Christ, the blood of his blood, was defiled by another human being.

I can’t tell you how extremely dangerous that heresy is.

 

[rheins2000]

Faithful One:

This is a very clear reference to Christ’s natural family

Says who? you? or the mystical Body of Christ, known as the Holy Roman Catholic Church? Hmmm…which one should I believe?
Faithful One:

I find this idea is usually promoted by those who are advancing the idea of Mary’s continued virginity after Christ’s birth - without scriptural authority mind you).

Sounds like you’re the one trying to advance your heresy, considering the thread had nothing to do with the lies you are promulgating
Faithful One:

John confirms this fact, …“neither did his brethren believe in him”. (Jn. 7:5)

WRONG…you got this from some liberal new-age Protestant. Mary’s perpetual virginity was not even questioned until Martin Luther and the Protestants revolted against the Church. Read the Early Church Fathers and the Dogmatic Proclamations of the True Church that was around 1600 years before this heresy was started.

I’m guessing you’re a protestant posing as a Catholic for whatever reason…maybe you should look at what Martin Luther said about the perpetual virginity of Mary. Even he would have defended that to his death.
Faithful One:

For whosoever shall do the will of my father in heaven, the same is my brother, …

Funny, I thought brother meant literal blood brother. Amazing, another protestant interpretation contradicting itself

 

[MaggieOH]

Please oh please, Martin Luther did not deny the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, neither did Jean Calvin or Ulrich Zwingli and most of the early Reformers. This neo-Helvidian heresy started up again at the time of the Enlightenment. It is not a teaching in all Protestant Churches. It is, however, an indication of how far Evangelicals, Fundamentals and others are straying from the Truth.

Now the question is: Jesus a prophet. Let us deal with that subject and not get carried away with a subject that is being discussed in other threads.

Maggie

 

[MaggieOH]

DEESYPAL:

I guess a prophet is one who sees in to the future isnt it?

That is not the Scriptural meaning of prophet. I am afraid to say that the particular definition that you give is a reason that so many have gone astray today in their beliefs regarding dispensationalism. However, back to the meaning of prophet.

A psychic or a crystal ball gazer is one who sees into the future. On the other hand the Scriptural prophet is one who interprets the signs of the times according to the Will of God. In Biblical terms the prophet is one who proclaims what God wants to be proclaimed, especially the exhortation to repent from wrong doing and to follow the way of the Lord. If you read the Book of Isaiah you will see plenty of warnings about war coming, but these guys were not silly, for they knew that Sennacharib was on the march. The prophets warned the king of Israel against making alliances with Egypt and to rely instead upon the strength of God to protect, but the king refused to listen.

Maggie

 

[MaggieOH]

DEESYPAL:

What did Jesus mean when in Mark 6:4 he said,

‘A prophet is respected everywhere except in his own home town and by his relatives and his family’

I know Jesus is the son of GOD, but is it ok to refer to him as a prophet as well.

Now that I know how you understand the word prophet, I can answer your original question. Yes it is ok to refer to Jesus as a prophet because in the three years of His public mission He was also being a prophet of God. We have a collection of his parables and of his warnings of pending doom for those who reject him.

With regard to the rejection that is mentioned in the family, the context of the statement was a speech in the synagogue. It was not directed at his family members but all who were present since they knew him when he was growing up from a child and into a man.

Maggie

 

[CARose]

DEESYPAL:

What did Jesus mean when in Mark 6:4 he said,

‘A prophet is respected everywhere except in his own home town and by his relatives and his family’

I know Jesus is the son of GOD, but is it ok to refer to him as a prophet as well.

The question of whether Jesus can be called a prophet has been addressed. I’d like to try taking on your first question, what did He mean when He said:

‘A prophet is respected everywhere except in his own home town and by his relatives and his family’

It’s an interesting phenomena, that when one has an important message or insight to deliver, it is typically the outsider who is best heard. Familiarity can breed a degree of contempt. Consultants know this, that they can interview members of the organization, package what is already understood internally and deliver to management for implementation that which was already known. And management will lap it up, as long as the politics is left out and the core truth of what needs to be done remains.

The same can be said of Prophets. When traveling, working with those outside their community, prophets deliver God’s message effectively, but as with any Charism, we can assume that the Charism of Prophesy is not there for one’s own profit, but rather for others. So it makes sense that it wouldn’t necessarily work as well within one’s home (just look at the stories of some of these guys, they messed up in many ways, the poor human beings that they were) and at the reactions even Jesus, so much more than a human being, encountered when he delivered his message in his own place.

Oh, and by the way, while Mary understood Christ’s special place, I don’t know that even she fully understood what his ministry was to be. God uses us without revealing to us all that it means to follow him. And I seriously doubt that his cousins appreciated his specialness.

I hope this helps and addresses your question.

CARose

 

[rheins2000]

MaggieOH:

Please oh please, Martin Luther did not deny the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, neither did Jean Calvin or Ulrich Zwingli and most of the early Reformers. This neo-Helvidian heresy started up again at the time of the Enlightenment. It is not a teaching in all Protestant Churches. It is, however, an indication of how far Evangelicals, Fundamentals and others are straying from the Truth.

Now the question is: Jesus a prophet. Let us deal with that subject and not get carried away with a subject that is being discussed in other threads.

Maggie

Not what I said…read more carefully

 

[SPOKENWORD]

Jesus had two natures. One human and another devine.He was God but also man. While Jesus walked this earth He was a prophet. It wasnt until His baptism did He recieve the annoiting from the Father.It was only after His baptism did He recieve power and begin the ministry His Father called Him into. God Bless