Jesus ascended into heaven.
Mary was assumed into heaven.
Heaven is a spiritual place comprising of God the Father who is spirit, God the Holy Spirit, who is spirit, and Jesus–who is spirit and has a
physical body.
Heaven consists of angels and saints, all of whom are spirit.
So Jesus and Mary are the only ones with a “physical presence” in Heaven?
I don’t understand…
When you say “physical”, do you mean “occupying a position in space”
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The physis of a thing is its nature - no matter what the thing is: God or creatures, angel, dust, stones, atoms, men. God is “physically” present in the soul or in a stone, not by occupying space, but according to His physis, & according to the physis of the thing in which He is present: He is present in a demon in one way, in a Saint in another, in a rock in another, in the Church in another, in the Sacraments in others; & so on.
IMHO, we (= people in general) tend to identify real things with things we can know physically - that is, from the senses & their artificial extensions (such as microscopes, Petri dishes, etc). An elephant is very “physical” in that sense: if it were present in a room, we would know

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C.S.Lewis suggested Saints are solid, “Big People” - we, by contrast are like mist. A spirit is solid & massive: it is we who lack solidity. There is Biblical foundation for this: because God’s Glory is His kabodh in Hebrew - His wealth, richness, heaviness; & there is St. Paul:
- 2Cr 4:14 knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.
- 2Cr 4:15 For it is all for your sake, so that as grace extends to more and more people it may increase thanksgiving, to the glory of God.
- 2Cr 4:16 So we do not lose heart. Though our outer nature is wasting away, our inner nature is being renewed every day.
- 2Cr 4:17 For this slight momentary affliction is preparing for us an eternal weight of glory beyond all comparison,
- 2Cr 4:18 because we look not to the things that are seen but to the things that are unseen; for the things that are seen are transient, but the things that are unseen are eternal.
- 2Cr 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
- 2Cr 5:2 Here indeed we groan, and long to put on our heavenly dwelling,
- 2Cr 5:3 so that by putting it on we may not be found naked.
- 2Cr 5:4 For while we are still in this tent, we sigh with anxiety; not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.
- 2Cr 5:5 He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
- 2Cr 5:6 So we are always of good courage; we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord,
- 2Cr 5:7 for we walk by faith, not by sight.
my emphasis
2 Corinthians 4.18 & the following words go some way to unfold what said in 2 Cor. 4.17. But see the whole thing, from chapter 4 to chapter 5
Why do we not see God in this life ? Maybe we would be squashed flat

FWIW - & this idea may be worth nothing - perhaps the idea of God as heavy can give us a clue to the intercession of the Saints: because, if they are bigger & more massive than the world, perhaps they are what we would call giants

. If they are so big that the world is but a pinhead to them, they have no need to be omnisicient. Any more than we do, to see a small thing like a pinhead.
It is at least suggestive that gods in antiquity are often represented as of superhuman size.
Is the humility of God shown by His becoming that tiny thing, an infant ? Maybe

C.S.Lewis has a wonderful idea about the Incarnation: he points out, in “The Silver Chair”, that What was in the stable at Bethlehem was greater than what was outside it: as Jesus was in Mary. It gets odder: Mary then contained the God “Whom the heaven of heavens cannot contain” - & He contains all creation: which includes her. So she is in Him, Who was in in her - which has a bearing on her Assumption. The Incarnation, the Ascension, & the Assumption all do very odd things to space.
That is just my speculation

- take it or leave it
