Jesus born on Friday?

[groovygroovy]

A friend of mine wants to know if Jesus was buried for three days, then how could he be risen on Sunday if buried on Friday? He also wants to know if there is any factual knowledge of Friday being the day Jesus died.

Thank you

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

A friend of mine wants to know if Jesus was buried for three days, then how could he be risen on Sunday if buried on Friday? He also wants to know if there is any factual knowledge of Friday being the day Jesus died.

Thank you

Hi groovygroovy,

I’m guessing you are referring to the “Sign of Jonah”, where Jesus said he’ll spend three days and three nights in the “depths of the earth” (Mt 12:40). There are two explanations to this; one I don’t subscribe to, and the other I do.

# 1: Some people reckon that part of the day counts as a full day. Somehow, this is too convenient for me.

# 2: This is the reasoning that I like. The “depths of the earth” doesn’t mean being buried; but rather, it means suffering for our sin. This started on the Thursday night when Judas betrayed Him, and Peter denied Him. In fact, 10 times in the gospels, Jesus talks about the “three days” and every time it begins with him being handed over to the authorities…

Matthew 16:21 - … “I must go to Jerusalem and suffer much from the elders, the chief priests, and the teachers of the Law. I will be put to death, but three days later I will be raised to life.”
Matthew 17:22-23 - … “The Son of Man is about to be handed over to men who will kill him; but three days later he will be raised to life.”…
Matthew 20:18-19 - … “[T]he Son of Man will be handed over to the chief priests and the teachers of the Law. They will condemn him to death and then hand him over to the Gentiles, who will make fun of him, whip him, and crucify him; but three days later he will be raised to life.”
Mark 8:31 - … "The Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the teachers of the Law. He will be put to death, but three days later he will rise to life.
Mark 9:31 - “The Son of Man will be handed over to men who will kill him. Three days later, however, he will rise to life.”
Mark 10:33-34 - … “[T]he Son of Man will be handed over to the chief priests and the teachers of the Law. They will condemn him to death and then hand him over to the Gentiles, who will make fun of him, spit on him, whip him, and kill him; but three days later he will rise to life.”
Luke 9:22 - … “The Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests, and the teachers of the Law. He will be put to death, but three days later he will be raised to life.”
Luke 18:32-33 - “He will be handed over to the Gentiles, who will make fun of him, insult him, and spit on him. They will whip him and kill him, but three days later he will rise to life.”
Luke 24:7 - “The Son of Man must be handed over to sinful men, be crucified, and three days later rise to life.”
Luke 24:46 - … “This is what is written: the Messiah must suffer and must rise from death three days later…”

More info:
blessedcause.org/BlessedCause%20Exclusives/The%20Sign%20of%20Jonah.htm

 

[Charlie_Zeaiter]

… He also wants to know if there is any factual knowledge of Friday being the day Jesus died.

Thank you

Hi again,

Actually there is factual evidence to tell us that Jesus died on Friday 3rd April, 33 A.D.

By law and custom, the Jewish people of Jesus’ day took the Sabbath as a day of complete rest. Because no work could be done on the Sabbath, which we call Saturday, Friday came to be known as Preparation Day. It was a day when food and other things needed for Saturday were prepared in advance. This is our first clue to the date of the crucifixion, because all four Gospels state that Jesus was crucified on Preparation Day, a Friday (Mt 27:62, Mk 15:42, Lk 23:54 and Jn 19:42).

The Gospels also record that the crucifixion occurred the day before the Passover festival (Jn 19:14). This is a second important clue, because it gives us a solid connection with the ancient Jewish calendar system. By Judean tradition, Passover begins at twilight, the dividing line between Nisan 14th and 15th.

Putting these two Biblical puzzle pieces together, we see that the crucifixion must have occurred in a year when Nisan 14th happened to fall on a Friday.

Jesus was condemned to death by Pontius Pilate (Mt 27:26, Mk 15:15, Lk 23:25 and Jn 19:16). Ancient historians record that Pontius Pilate was Roman procurator of Judea during the years 26 AD through 36 AD. During those years, Nisan 14th fell on a Friday twice: on April 7th of 30 AD and April 3rd of 33 AD. So, we still need another clue to pin-point exactly the date of the crucifixion.

The scriptures tell us that at the time of the crucifixation, which was around noon, darkness covered the land for about 3 hours (Mk 15:33, Lk 23:44). Some people erroneously believe that this darkness was the result of a solar eclipse. We know they are wrong for two reasons: i) It was the season of Passover, which means there was a full moon, and there can not be a solar eclipse and a full moon in the same day. And ii) the darkness lasted for 3 hours which is way too long, for a solar eclipse only lasts for several minutes. Some people are content in believing that a miracle occured that day; that the God-created universe (Gn 1:1) responded when the “light of the world” (Jn 8:12) was snuffed out (sic). Other people propose a theory that the darkness was the result of a khamsin dust storm. Either way, it doesn’t help us to determine the date of the crucifixion.

(Ancient historians agree that there was a “failure of the sun” at noon around the year 33 AD. Second century writer, Phlegon Trallianus, records in his history, Olympiades: “In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad [AD 32-33], a failure of the Sun took place greater than any previously known, and night came on at the sixth hour of the day [noon]…” But the exact date was not specified.)

The final clue we have to the crucifixion date is the clincher; In the book of The Acts, St Peter believes that the prophecies of Joel (Jl 2:31) have been realised (Ac 2:16). The sun has darkened, and the moon has turned red as blood. We have already discussed the sun being darkened (as described above). The moon turning into blood is a very graphic description of what we today know as a lunar eclipse. Scientists today, including those from NASA, are able to determine when a lunar eclipse will occur. Surely enough, they have calculated that a lunar eclipse did indeed occur on April 3rd of 33 AD. Those poor ole people at the day of the crucifixion didn’t know what was going on when the moon turned to blood; they probably thought the world was coming to an end. If only they knew what science has taught us today; they would have known they were not witnessing a miracle, but rather it was only a lunar eclipse. But perhaps the timing of the crucifixion was a miracle… Perhaps God willed the crucifixion on the day of the a lunar eclipse so that future scientists can verify the testimonies in the scriptures.

(The report of Pontius Pilate, Governor of Judea, which was sent to Tiberius Caesar in Rome, agrees with the graphic description of a lunar eclipse that occurred during the crucifixion. It mentions “the moon, which was like blood…”)

So, while the unfaithful fools (Ps 14:1) are trying to use science to prove to us that God does not exist, we who are foolishly faithful can rejoice (Jn 20:29), for God has given us scientists to prove to us that His Holy Scriptures contain truth. Jesus Christ died for our sins (1 Co 15:3), on 3rd April 33 AD.

 

[Struggling]

Some people reckon that part of the day counts as a full day. Somehow, this is too convenient for me.

Not really. I am in a Latin class at a very secular high school with a very secular teacher, but we learned that the ancients counted dating inclusively.

So the day before something was called “pridie nones” or whatever.

We were learning about the Roman calendar, and it may seem weird…but you never get down to “1 day before” it goes, “3 days before” “2 days before” “the day itself”…odd, but true.

For example. Today is December 2. The Nones (one of three benchmarks by which they calculated days each month) is on the 5th (in all months except March, May, July, and August when it is the 7th). So, we would say the Nones are 3 days away. But the Romans count today and the Nones themselves, and it would be “a.d. IV Non. Dec.” (4 days before, ie 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th)

“a.d.” means “ante diem” something like “before the day”…and tommorow would be “a.d. III Non. Dec.” then the 4th would be “pridie non. dec.” and then “Non. Dec”…they count inclusively, so you never get to “1 day before”…unless you translate “pridie” as “1 day before” in which case you nevertheless skip “2 days before”

 

[Todd_Easton]

This is the earliest mention I have found so far outside of Sacred Scripture to the day of the week on which Jesus Christ was crucified. Justin Martyr, who converted to Christianity about A.D. 130, wrote about A.D. 155, saying, “He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday),” i.e., on the day before Saturday, or, in other word, on Friday:
But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration. (Justin Martyr, First Apology, chapter LXVII.)

 

[colliric]

Hi again,

Actually there is factual evidence to tell us that Jesus died on Friday 3rd April, 33 A.D.

By law and custom, the Jewish people of Jesus’ day took the Sabbath as a day of complete rest. Because no work could be done on the Sabbath, which we call Saturday, Friday came to be known as Preparation Day. It was a day when food and other things needed for Saturday were prepared in advance. This is our first clue to the date of the crucifixion, because all four Gospels state that Jesus was crucified on Preparation Day, a Friday (Mt 27:62, Mk 15:42, Lk 23:54 and Jn 19:42).

The Gospels also record that the crucifixion occurred the day before the Passover festival (Jn 19:14). This is a second important clue, because it gives us a solid connection with the ancient Jewish calendar system. By Judean tradition, Passover begins at twilight, the dividing line between Nisan 14th and 15th.

Putting these two Biblical puzzle pieces together, we see that the crucifixion must have occurred in a year when Nisan 14th happened to fall on a Friday.

Jesus was condemned to death by Pontius Pilate (Mt 27:26, Mk 15:15, Lk 23:25 and Jn 19:16). Ancient historians record that Pontius Pilate was Roman procurator of Judea during the years 26 AD through 36 AD. During those years, Nisan 14th fell on a Friday twice: on April 7th of 30 AD and April 3rd of 33 AD. So, we still need another clue to pin-point exactly the date of the crucifixion.

The scriptures tell us that at the time of the crucifixation, which was around noon, darkness covered the land for about 3 hours (Mk 15:33, Lk 23:44). Some people erroneously believe that this darkness was the result of a solar eclipse. We know they are wrong for two reasons: i) It was the season of Passover, which means there was a full moon, and there can not be a solar eclipse and a full moon in the same day. And ii) the darkness lasted for 3 hours which is way too long, for a solar eclipse only lasts for several minutes. Some people are content in believing that a miracle occured that day; that the God-created universe (Gn 1:1) responded when the “light of the world” (Jn 8:12) was snuffed out (sic). Other people propose a theory that the darkness was the result of a khamsin dust storm. Either way, it doesn’t help us to determine the date of the crucifixion.

(Ancient historians agree that there was a “failure of the sun” at noon around the year 33 AD. Second century writer, Phlegon Trallianus, records in his history, Olympiades: “In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad [AD 32-33], a failure of the Sun took place greater than any previously known, and night came on at the sixth hour of the day [noon]…” But the exact date was not specified.)

The final clue we have to the crucifixion date is the clincher; In the book of The Acts, St Peter believes that the prophecies of Joel (Jl 2:31) have been realised (Ac 2:16). The sun has darkened, and the moon has turned red as blood. We have already discussed the sun being darkened (as described above). The moon turning into blood is a very graphic description of what we today know as a lunar eclipse. Scientists today, including those from NASA, are able to determine when a lunar eclipse will occur. Surely enough, they have calculated that a lunar eclipse did indeed occur on April 3rd of 33 AD. Those poor ole people at the day of the crucifixion didn’t know what was going on when the moon turned to blood; they probably thought the world was coming to an end. If only they knew what science has taught us today; they would have known they were not witnessing a miracle, but rather it was only a lunar eclipse. But perhaps the timing of the crucifixion was a miracle… Perhaps God willed the crucifixion on the day of the a lunar eclipse so that future scientists can verify the testimonies in the scriptures.

(The report of Pontius Pilate, Governor of Judea, which was sent to Tiberius Caesar in Rome, agrees with the graphic description of a lunar eclipse that occurred during the crucifixion. It mentions “the moon, which was like blood…”)

So, while the unfaithful fools (Ps 14:1) are trying to use science to prove to us that God does not exist, we who are foolishly faithful can rejoice (Jn 20:29), for God has given us scientists to prove to us that His Holy Scriptures contain truth. Jesus Christ died for our sins (1 Co 15:3), on 3rd April 33 AD.

So this is why in Mel’s film, there is no Solar Eclipse depicted… nice to know. I already knew Jesus died on that particular date, I just didn’t know about that “darkening of the sun” and thought it was a Solar Eclipse. Thank you.

Incidentally Jesus really was born on the 25th December in the year 1BC, or at least that was the Date that the 3 kings arrived in Bethlehem and therefore the best approximation.

 

[colliric]

To clarify my last posting, I agree with the theory that the Conjunction between Jupiter and Venus on June 17th 2BC is close to or is the initial event that the Magi witnessed and that Jupiter was likely the Star that God used to show the astrologist’s the fact that his Son was about to be born.

According to many astrologist’s that support the Catholic Church’s original dating, Jupiter the “Rex” Planet(“Wandering Star” in those days), which had done many other strange things that year, was in retrograde motion over Bethelem on the 25th of December 1AD to anyone traveling toward it from Jerusalem.

We now know, from the error that was made when copiests copied the Josephus manuscript, that Herod may have died after the Lunar Eclipse which occurred around the same time in 1BC, and that there was a general Census order issued in 2BC.

I believe it really was the Date that Christ was born and that the church got it right from the beginning!

 

[steveandersen]

A friend of mine wants to know if Jesus was buried for three days, then how could he be risen on Sunday if buried on Friday? He also wants to know if there is any factual knowledge of Friday being the day Jesus died.

Thank you

Friday, Saturday, Sunday
Three days
Seems pretty clear to me

IIRC the Jews started/ended the day at sunset rather than at midnight. It was specifically requested to remove Christ from the cross and bury Him before sunset because once the Sabbath began they couldn’t work and would have to have left Him until Sunday.

So He was buried on Friday, Saturday started a few hours later at sunset, and Sunday started during what we would call Saturday afternoon/evening.