Jesus' physical or metaphysical existence

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hello,

It is my understanding that God is a metaphysical being; outside of time and space. This is also what I believe the Catholic Church’'s understanding is. God became man, incarnated Himself in Jesus Christ, the Word who was with God and was God.

Once God became physical, he died and was resurrected, and was assumed into heaven. What happened then? Does Jesus still physically exist? Surely he isn’'t floating forever in space…has he retaken his metaphysical place with God the Father?

thanks so much
 
Jesus still physically exists. After the resurrection of the dead we will be in Heaven (not just spiritually, but physically with our bodies), so Heaven is also somehow a physical space. Likewise, Holy Virgin Mary is in Heaven with her physical body. Moreover, Jesus not only can, but has His physical Body, for this is what we receive weekly in the Holy Eucharist (which wouldn’t make any sense, if Jesus didn’t have His physical Body).
Apart from these articles of faith, we can only speculate how exactly God’s transcendence works with the physical world.
 
hello,

It is my understanding that God is a metaphysical being; outside of time and space. This is also what I believe the Catholic Church’'s understanding is. God became man, incarnated Himself in Jesus Christ, the Word who was with God and was God.

Once God became physical, he died and was resurrected, and was assumed into heaven. What happened then? Does Jesus still physically exist? Surely he isn’'t floating forever in space…has he retaken his metaphysical place with God the Father?

thanks so much
Please note that the CatholicChurch emphasizes that Christ is a human being which is distinct from a human person.

Metaphysically, Christ is NOT a human person.
 
Please note that the CatholicChurch emphasizes that Christ is a human being which is distinct from a human person.
Metaphysically, Christ is NOT a human person.
I believe you have this backwards. The being God, has a personhood in Christ. The other two persons in the trinity are the Father, and the Holy Ghost.

So, Jesus is a human person, but his being is God.

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
 
Yes it is a hard question, and I’ve emailed Catholic.com several times, to no avail, and the apologists have not answered either…

It would make sense that other than the Eucharist he is one with the Father, since as Catholics we aren’t as primitive to believe some person is actually in the sky with a long beard of some sort.
 
I believe you have this backwards. The being God, has a personhood in Christ. The other two persons in the trinity are the Father, and the Holy Ghost.

So, Jesus is a human person, but his being is God.

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
The divine person of the Word assumed a human nature. He is a divine person, and must be so, for there are three divine persons in the Holy Trinity.

Here’s a simple diagram of the hypostatic union. The two natures are united in the person. The person is the Son of God, the eternal Word. Because of this we know that He is a divine person.

Everything which can be affirmed of the natures can be affirmed of the person, but not vice versa. Imagine that there are arrows going from nature pointing toward person.

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Once God became physical, he died and was resurrected, and was assumed into heaven. What happened then? Does Jesus still physically exist? Surely he isn’'t floating forever in space…has he retaken his metaphysical place with God the Father?
The Word, without change or alteration, became man. When we say this we mean that the divine person of the Word united in His person a human nature. However, the two natures remain distinct. We do not confuse the natures.

As I said before, anything we can say of the natures we can say of the person, but not vice versa. However, I may have to clarify this for you.

We can say:

Jesus died on the cross.

Equally so, we can say:

God was crucified and died.

We could say:

The Word was made flesh and born of a virgin.

And:

The man Jesus is eternal.

(Note on that last one: Jesus is the subject, and so it is legitimate. If I had said, “Jesus’ human nature is eternal,” that would be heretical.)

Granted, we realize when we say these things that we are not affirming human things of the divine nature nor are we affirming divine things of the human nature. We are affirming these things of the person.

So when we say some of those things which we said above, it would also be correct to say them this way:

God was crucified and died according to the flesh.

The Word was born of a virgin according to His human nature.

The man Jesus is eternal according to His divine nature.

So, when you say, “God became physical” you cannot mean that His divine nature underwent any change.

Now, the hypostatic union is permanent. So, from the point where the Incarnation occured through eternity it will hold. So:
  1. When the Word became man, He existed as the divine person united to the divine and human natures.
  2. When Jesus died on the Cross, the divine person truly died, according to the flesh.
  3. When Jesus was in the tomb, His body lay dead. Death, being the separation of the soul from the body, meant that His body was without His soul in the tomb. His soul, however, remained united to His divine person. The hypostatic union was not broken. (I suppose at this point it was that Christ descended to hell.)
  4. When Jesus rose from the dead, His human nature and divine nature were still both united in His person, except that His body was now glorified.
  5. When Jesus ascended into heaven, the same as #4.
Jesus is still united to His human nature, which includes his glorified body and soul united as one nature, in heaven.

Does this help?

-Rob
 
Jesus is a divine Person, not a human person. Yet, he is a human being. That’s because the divine Person, the second Person of the Trinity, wholly possesses both a divine and a human nature.

This divine Person, assumed a human nature in the incarnation, taking upon himself a human nature and being born of the Virgin.
 
CCC paragraph # 645 By means of touch and the sharing of a meal, the risen Jesus establishes direct contact with his disciples. He invites them in this way to recognize that he is not a ghost and above all to verify that the risen body in which he appears to them is the same body that had been tortured and crucified, for it still bears the traces of his Passion. Yet at the same time this authentic, real body possesses the new properties of a glorious body: not limited by space and time but able to be present how and when he wills; for Christ’s humanity can no longer be confined to earth, and belongs henceforth only to the Father’s divine realm. For this reason too the risen Jesus enjoys the sovereign freedom of appearing as he wishes: in the guise of a gardener or in other forms familiar to his disciples, precisely to awaken their faith.
 
hello,

It is my understanding that God is a metaphysical being; outside of time and space. This is also what I believe the Catholic Church’'s understanding is. God became man, incarnated Himself in Jesus Christ, the Word who was with God and was God.

Once God became physical, he died and was resurrected, and was assumed into heaven. What happened then? Does Jesus still physically exist? Surely he isn’'t floating forever in space…has he retaken his metaphysical place with God the Father?

thanks so much
Heaven is a real place which is a part of Creattion. Both Jesus and His mother Mary are there body and soul.
 
CCC paragraph # 645 By means of touch and the sharing of a meal, the risen Jesus establishes direct contact with his disciples. He invites them in this way to recognize that he is not a ghost and above all to verify that the risen body in which he appears to them is the same body that had been tortured and crucified, for it still bears the traces of his Passion. Yet at the same time this authentic, real body possesses the new properties of a glorious body: not limited by space and time but able to be present how and when he wills; for Christ’s humanity can no longer be confined to earth, and belongs henceforth only to the Father’s divine realm. For this reason too the risen Jesus enjoys the sovereign freedom of appearing as he wishes: in the guise of a gardener or in other forms familiar to his disciples, precisely to awaken their faith.
So basically Jesus’ physicality is found on Earth in the Eucharist?

I didn’t think he was floating around in the sky.
 
I believe you have this backwards. The being God, has a personhood in Christ. The other two persons in the trinity are the Father, and the Holy Ghost.

So, Jesus is a human person, but his being is God.

Someone please correct me if I’m wrong.
I do not have it backwards. There is a difference between being and person! His substance is that of God. He is a human BEING not a HUMAN PERSON. Divine person? Yes. But please take note of the phrase HUMAN PERSON. Christ does not fall into this.

I’ll clarify this soon.
 
So basically Jesus’ physicality is found on Earth in the Eucharist?

I didn’t think he was floating around in the sky.
Also, the Church is the body of Christ. REALLY! Just as Jesus shared His Father’s life, the Church shares Jesus’ life. Jesus said:

“I am the vine, and you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them will bear much fruit’ for you can do nothing without me.” (John 15:5)

Another example of this is when Paul was going from house to house and thowing believers in Jail. On the road to Demascus he was blinded by a flash of light. A voice said:

“Saul, Saul! Why do you persecute me?”
“Who are you, Lord?” he asked
“I am Jesus, whom you persecute. . .”

He didn’t understand. They weren’t persecuting Jesus, only His followers. But, after his conversion to Christianity, Paul wrote:

We are one body in union with Christ. . . He is the head of His body, the Church; He is the source of the body’s life. (Romans 12:5 and Colossians 1:8)

And as you mentioned earlier, a part of that source of life is the Eucharist. Indeed the Church is the body of Christ, and this is a great mystery I would love to understand better.

Peace,

Ryan 🙂
 
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