Jew perspective of Pauline view of Christianity

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You really do need to stop reading the “Stormfront Talmud” sites.
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My question to you was rhetorical. But this is seriously in the Mishnah.


As to how you and other Rabbinicals might feel about this or interpret it, I leave that up to you. Maybe explain it for us?
No, it’s not. You shouldn’t assume that most Jews give any thought at all to Jesus.
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Why not? He’s Jewish. Ok, you don’t think he is the Messiah. But he’s intrinsically linked to the both of us and both of our religions are intrinsically linked. Parts of Talmud certainly has thoughts on Jesus. You can’t really pretend like he is totally irrelevant. It’s not like Buddha from an entirely different religious tradition. We’re both Abrahamics. Both of our religions are the successors to the Second Temple Jewish religion.
 
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Kaninchen said:
Not really, Jesus was Not God, not a Prophet and not Messiah.
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We believe He is God, Messiah and Prophet.

So, maybe we can start this conversation from another angle. What if, just maybe, we address the OP? Radical, right?

Here’s what the OP is asking:
What do you think about the position of some jews, that Jesus was a radical Rabi who ended up crucified for revolting against roman authority like many others on those troubling days, maybe asociated with essenians or disciples of Hillel the Elder, and after his death St. Paul and others just “mistify” his life and added the spernatural parts like the birth of Virgin Holly Mary, the resurrection, the ascent to heavens, etc…?
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What are your thoughts on that question?
 
I read the part about Jesus in the link you posted. I haven’t found the things you said in your first post. It just says Jesus would a sinner because he mocked the words of the Sages. Also that he wishes Jewish people good. And the morale is comparing, by him with Balaam also a prophet who is punished but he was not Jewish and he still seeks to harm them from afterlife, that even a Jewish sinner is better than a prophet coming from the Nations.
Where is the prostitute, the brick and other stuff you said?
 
As saint Paul said in 1cor. . I didn’t come to you with the wisdom of man. But with the power of the holy spirit
 
I think it is safe to say that post-Jesus Jews found themselves in an increasingly Christian world and tried to get by practically as best they could. Jesus to them in the context of their beliefs and religion was a mere footnote with no bearing on their core beliefs- as he is today.

It is clear that early on Jews were desperately antagonistic to the Jewish Christians- knowing that the High Priesthood of the Second Temple had power only because the Romans thought they represented the people, and, more importantly, could control the people.

Certainly the crypto-cannibalistic “communion” ceremony was repugnant to the Jews, and also the Romans when they were made aware of it. The power of this unique ceremony plays a larger role in the spread of Christianity that most people realize. Without it, would Christianity have survived?
 
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Given what i think catholics believe about communion, your question is like asking,
“Would there have been a Christianity without Jesus?” Taken further, would there
have been a God without God?
Maybe on some planet X, the Bible was written as a fiction, like a science fiction book?
Maybe not in english, latin, Hebrew, or Greek, but the same words.
 
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Kaninchen said:
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Mary888:
The Jews have several theories on Jesus
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Not really, Jesus was Not God, not a Prophet and not Messiah.
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Not to the Jewish people. perhaps. But one day, you will see that He was and is God (the Son) and the Messiah you have long waited for. As for being a Prophet, Jesus was and is far more than a Prophet. He is Lord of Lords, King of Kings, true God from true God.
 
Salutations
I may be wrong, but the gospel to Hebrews dealt w Theology of Jews. It defined OT teachings and discussed prophecies of OT about the coming Messiah and HOW Jesus fulfilled the prophecies.
That is a starting point to communicate w Jews.
OT has clues of the Messiah.
For example, Abraham’s sacrificing Isaac—-One-a test of faith to prove his trust in GOD. God Promised Abraham his seed would be larger than the stars in sky. Isaac was his Promised child. God would have to raise Isaac up from the dead. Second, GOD, the Father, was going to send His Son,Jesus. Jesus was going to be sacrificed for us. Not a test=for REAL!
Just a thought
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
Also, ask a Messianic Jew what convinced them to believe.
Merry Christmas
Tweedlealice
 
Mary888 said:
Messianic with their own beliefs (not part of any Christian denomination
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As FYI - “Messianic Jews” are evangelical Christian Protestants who are ethnically Jewish. The Jewish people consider then to no longer be Jewish.

You also have Jewish Catholics, called “Hebrew Catholics” who are 100% Catholic, but ethically Jewish.
 
Salutations
I can’t help this. Forgive me.
DOES A TREE MAKE A NOISE IF IT FALLS, ALONE, IN THE FORREST…,

If God didn’t exist, there would be no Creation.
If Jesus didn’t exist, there would be no Christianity.

In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
Dear Sebastian,
Jesus is a Jew. He was a Rebel. He did fight against ROME. The Essenes May have had contact w Jesus. Don’t know Hillel. Forget the rest.
He was a Blasphemer. Which could be saying a sinner. It had a Death sentenance. Other Jews were named Jesus. I didn’t know that when I was young.
He was a teacher, a Rabbi,a Prophet.
Two faiths believe the Virgin birth. That would be Christianity and Islam. Jesus is Messiah to Christians and a Prophet to Muslims. Now, I ask, how many PROPHETS came from VIRGIN BIRTHS? Also, Why did Gabriel tell Mary, she is to be Mother of Messiah but tell Mohammed, Jesus is a Prophet?? Why start another religion, when the real one had been created in Judaism to Christianity?
Enjoy your journey w Jesus.
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
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