John 6 and Eucharist?

[javelin]

Richard_Hurtz:

Trent - Thirteenth Session

history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct13.html

Blessings,
Richard

While I understand how it could be interpreted as you say, it is not necessarily the case. I’m not sure that “the whole Christ” must mean His entire body. Rather, it could mean that all aspects of Him are truly present – His body, blood, soul, and divinity. That is how I have always understood it.

For example, if I were to lose my leg in an accident, I do not stop being “me”. Everything that makes up my complete “person” is fully present with anyone coming to visit me in the hospital, despite my lack of a limb I once possessed.

Moreover, if you were to go look at the leg that is now separate from the rest of my body, you would see that my flesh and blood are present, but that’s it. My soul is not present. It is not “me”. But it is still my flesh and blood.

But I believe that Jesus makes Himself present in His flesh and blood that he shares with us in the guise of bread and wine.

What I understand Trent saying is that Jesus’ body (flesh), blood, soul and divinity are all truly present in each Eucharistic species.

Do you have anything else official that describes it more specifically, as the Baltimore Catechism did?

Peace,
javelin

 

[Mickey]

for Christ whole and entire is under the species of bread, and under any part whatsoever of that species; likewise the whole (Christ) is under the species of wine, and under the parts thereof.

In Catholic Eucharistic celebrations Christ’s Body is truly and substantially present, not in a natural way but in a supernatural, i.e. miraculous way. It is the same as in the Last Supper when Christ changed the substance of the bread and wine, but not its form, into His Flesh and Blood. So, the **form **of the Eucharist, which does not change, is bread and wine.

 

[Richard_Hurtz]

javelin:

Do you have anything else official that describes it more specifically, as the Baltimore Catechism did?

I’ll look on the internet.

I happened to recall the Baltimore Catechism ‘off the top of my head’.

I guess it boils down to what Trent means by ‘whole Christ’.

Blessings,
Richard

 

[Richard_Hurtz]

javelin:

Do you have anything else official that describes it more specifically, as the Baltimore Catechism did?

Peace,
javelin

ewtn.com/faith/teachings/eucha5.htm

Shortly after Trent, Pope St. Pius V authorized the publication of the Roman Catechism which built on the Council of Trent and explained its teachings for the pastors of the Church.

Regarding the Real Presence, the pastors were told to explain that “in this sacrament is contained not only the true Body of Christ-and that means everything that goes to make up a true body, such as bones, nerves, and so on-but also Christ whole and entire.” Consequently the Eucharist contains Jesus Christ in the fullness of his divinity and the completeness of his humanity.

Jesus is therefore in the Blessed Sacrament “whole and entire: the Soul, the Body and Blood of Christ, with all their component parts. In heaven a complete human nature is united to the divine nature in one. . . person. It is a denial of the faith to suppose that in this sacrament there is anything less.”

**Roman Catechism ** of Pope St. Pius V:

cin.org/users/james/ebooks/master/trent/tsacr-e.htm

Christ Whole And Entire Is Present In The Eucharist

“Here the pastor should explain that in this Sacrament are contained not only the true body of. Christ and all the constituents of a true body, such as bones and sinews, but also Christ whole and entire.”

Blessings,
Richard

 

[fcfahs]

Philthy:

OK, Im gonna wade in a little.

Bene, is it your position that the resurrected body is different than the pre-resurrected body of Christ?

Is the resurrected body composed of matter - ie atoms?

If not, where are the atoms from Christ’s preresurrected body? I honestly haven’t a clue, but it is an important, tangible question to answer with respect to this issue at the level you folks are trying to speak at.

Anybody wish to venture a guess?

PHil

Careful here, Phil. Quantum Physics 101 tells us that the atoms in our universe (as we know it)
are in a continuum and continuously circulating. The atoms in our body don’t simply die when we die and return to the dust, they find their way into the composition of someone or something else.

What’s pervasive here, is that we are all continuously sharing atoms and that in as little as a year’s time, our body can actually undergo a complete exchange of atoms. Indeed, it has been postulated by some of the heavy weights in the field of Quantum Physics that, right now, you and I could have in our bodies some of the very same atoms that were once in the body of a longhorn in Texas, a bird in Siberia, or even the body of Jesus (although, I would think, not the atoms in His body or any other body, like say The Blessed Virgin Mary’s, that was completely removed from this earth.).

This places a whole new spin on the idea that our bodies are unique. For, at the atomic level, they are NOT.