John XXIII incorruptible?

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Is or isn’t John XXIII incorruptible? I keep finding contrary articles, and none have good credentials.

Also, are there any post 1970 incorruptibles?
 
I can’t give any “proof” one way or the other, but I can tell you from my personal visit to St. Peter’s in 2008 that I saw his body encased in glass at the altar of St. Jerome lying in repose for veneration. It was as if he had just passed away that day…
 
Okay, thanks. There’s a whole big debate as to whether that is caused by miraculous intervention or whether he was embalmed and kept away from the air so that he simply has the appearance of being incorruptible. I was just wondering if the Vatican made an official statement on this.
 
Like Cor ad Cor said, he looked pretty good the last time I saw him (2005), for someone who had been dead for 42 years 😃
 
From saintpetersbasilica.org/Altars/StJerome/StJerome.htm:
The Body of John XXIII
VATICAN, Mar. 27, 01 (CWNews.com) - With visible emotion, Cardinal Virgilio Noe, archpriest of St. Peter’s basilica, has noted that the body of Pope Bl. John XXIII, who died in 1963 and was beatified on September 3, 2000 by Pope John Paul II, has remained incorrupt.
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“It is a providential coincidence, a sign of divine favor and of holiness,” he said today during a meeting with reporters about his book, “Tombs and Monuments of St. Peter’s and the Vatican.”
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On January 16, in the presence of Cardinal Angelo Sodano, Secretary of State of the Holy See, Bishop Leonardo Sandri, and Cardinal Noe, the tomb of John XXIII was opened for the recognition of his mortal remains which will be transferred from the Vatican crypt (located under the basilica) into the basilica itself. After only one-half day of work, the witnesses could see the face of John XXIII, " intact and serene," said Cardinal Noe, who also revealed “the emotion” which seized them at the opening of the tomb.
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By tradition, Popes are buried in three containers. John XXIII’s body was in a cypress coffin, which was placed in a lead catafalque, known as “castrumdoloris,” which in turn was deposited in a travertine marble sarcophagus.
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Pope John Paul had decided on the transfer to the basilica, as a mark of the holiness of John XXIII. “It was not easy to find a place in the basilica where we can build the new tomb for John XXIII,” said the cardinal. Indeed, it was necessary that this place be accessible at the same time to the faithful, who will want to venerate the blessed, and out of the way of the crowds which come daily to visit the basilica. The choice was made for the St. Jerome crypt, located on the line of the central span, not far from the statue of St. Peter. John XXIII, a specialist in the fathers of the Church, was devoted to St. Jerome.
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Blessed John XXIII will join the 47 other popes who rest in the basilica during a “liturgical ceremony,” which should take place in the next few months. Among these popes is Boniface VIII, who died in 1303 and whose body was also found incorrupt in 1605.
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In the Christian East, incorruptibility tends to become the “first miracle” in the process of canonization.

On Mount Athos, when a monk dies, he is buried in about three inches of soil on top. After three years, he is exhumed and is checked for signs of incorruptibility.

So strong is the faith in this, that if a monk is NOT incorruptible, he is considered to have been a sinner and so prayers for him are said assiduously.

When a monk is incorrupt, he is laid out and the monks pray at his bier asking God to glorify his servant with further miracles.

Alex
 
Alexander_Roman said:
In the Christian East, incorruptibility tends to become the “first miracle” in the process of canonization.

On Mount Athos, when a monk dies, he is buried in about three inches of soil on top.

Alex
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What do they do to keep the animals away?
 
No, his body is NOT inccorrupt. They used a scientific method to preserve him, just like the did Evita Peron and Vladimir Lennon.

From wiki:
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At the time, the body was observed to be extremely well preserved—a condition which the Church ascribes to embalming[66] and the lack of air flow in his sealed triple coffin rather than a miracle. **

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_XXIII
 
AnneElizabeth said:
No, his body is NOT inccorrupt. They used a scientific method to preserve him, just like the did Evita Peron and Vladimir Lennon.

From wiki:
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At the time, the body was observed to be extremely well preserved—a condition which the Church ascribes to embalming[66] and the lack of air flow in his sealed triple coffin rather than a miracle. **

source: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_John_XXIII
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Thanks for the link. God bless.

+PAX:)
 
Ummmm, let’s see; Wiki vs Cardinal Virgilio Noe. I’ll go with the Cardinal. Yeah. 🙂

I have a relic of Pope John XXIII. 🙂
 
Abba said:
Ummmm, let’s see; Wiki vs Cardinal Virgilio Noe. I’ll go with the Cardinal. Yeah. 🙂

I have a relic of Pope John XXIII. 🙂
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I would think since its well known that the church has admitted to the special embalming process that the Cardinal, with all due respect, has his facts wrong. I’ve heard more than one catholic (especially on EWTN= twice now, which prompted my search) ascribe this trait to him, and its a shame because its not the truth. Its very damaging religiously to find out you’ve been lied to or misled by someone in the church you trusted. Even if one finds out something you believed to be true is not, it does damage. Trust is sacred.

Cardinals can get their facts wrong. Then again, so can Wikipedia, yet a fact is a fact.
 
AnneElizabeth said:
I would think since its well known that the church has admitted to the special embalming process that the Cardinal, with all due respect, has his facts wrong. I’ve heard more than one catholic (especially on EWTN= twice now, which prompted my search) ascribe this trait to him, and its a shame because its not the truth. Its very damaging religiously to find out you’ve been lied to or misled by someone in the church you trusted. Even if one finds out something you believed to be true is not, it does damage. Trust is sacred.

Cardinals can get their facts wrong. Then again, so can Wikipedia, yet a fact is a fact.
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Can you please provide a Church document stating that Pope John XXIII was embalmed? If he was, he was. It could be the case that when the Cardinal made the statement after viewing the body he was not aware that the Pope had been embalmed. But, I would like to see a Church document refuting the Cardinal’s statement.

I know Pope Paul II the Great requested not to be embalmed. So, if his body is incorruptible which nothing has been officially stated to my knowledge at least, it cannot be said that he was embalmed because that is a request he made before dying and I don’t think anyone would deny him his own request about his own body.
 
Abba said:
Can you please provide a Church document stating that Pope John XXIII was embalmed? If he was, he was. It could be the case that when the Cardinal made the statement after viewing the body he was not aware that the Pope had been embalmed. But, I would like to see a Church document refuting the Cardinal’s statement.

I know Pope Paul II the Great requested not to be embalmed. So, if his body is incorruptible which nothing has been officially stated to my knowledge at least, it cannot be said that he was embalmed because that is a request he made before dying and I don’t think anyone would deny him his own request about his own body.
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I did… the wiki link I quoted. You can look it up yourself too. Just google it. Several other sources out there with names of the doctors who did the procedure.

Could you please provide the church document that proves that John 23rd asked that his body not be embalmed?
 
AnneElizabeth said:
I did… the wiki link I quoted. You can look it up yourself too. Just google it. Several other sources out there with names of the doctors who did the procedure.
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Wiki does not provide a link to a Church document.
AnneElizabeth said:
Could you please provide the church document that proves that John 23rd asked that his body not be embalmed?
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I did not write John the 23rd, instead, I wrote - Saint Pope John Paul II the Great. "You can ‘look it up yourself’ - just google it.
 
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