John11:30 and John14:28 do these verses conflict each other?

[elcristero]

i was told that the bible never contradicts itself. well as i was reading the gospel of st john where Jesus says; “the father and i are one” then says; the father is greater then i" ?? Can some explain this to me!!! Im like the ethiopian eunuch just looking for my philip!!! Also im a cradle catholic who has been asleep in his cradle for far to long!!!

 

[Azurestone]

i was told that the bible never contradicts itself. well as i was reading the gospel of st john where Jesus says; “the father and i are one” then says; the father is greater then i" ?? Can some explain this to me!!! Im like the ethiopian eunuch just looking for my philip!!! Also im a cradle catholic who has been asleep in his cradle for far to long!!!

The Holy Trinity is a mystery in that it is three divine persons, yet at the same time, one God. A unity of three, where one is, the other two are also. In addition, the Son is begotten from the Father and the Holy Spirit is spirated from the Father. What’s the difference between begotten and spiration? No one knows, that’s just how it was revealed.

So, the Father and Son are equal, that is, they are of the same Divine Essence, but also the Son comes from the Father.

Clear as mud?

 

[ryanoneil]

Jesus is one with the Father in divinity but less than the Father in his humanity. The Father also is Paternal and entirely without origin.

 

[Nita]

Here is the commentary from the Navarre Bible:
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When Jesus says that the Father is greater than he, he is thinking about his human nature; as man Jesus is going to be glorified, ascending as he does to the right hand of the Father. Jesus Christ “is equal to the Father in his divinity, less than the Father in his humanity” (Athanasian Creed). St. Augustine exhorts us to “acknowledge the twofold nature of Christ–the divine, by which he is equal to the Father; the human, by which he is less than the Father. But the one and the other are together not two, but one Christ” (In Ioann. Evang., 78,3). However, although the Father and the Son are equal in nature, eternity and dignity, our Lord’s words can also be understood by taking “greater” to refer to his origin; only the Father is “beginning withut beginning”, whereas the Son proceeds eternally from the Father by way of a generation which is also eternal. Jesus Christ is God from God, Light from Light, True God from True God (cf. Nicene Creed).

Also, here is a great on-line Catholic Commentary (altho the English is old style):
haydock1859.tripod.com/

 

[roveau]

i was told that the bible never contradicts itself. well as i was reading the gospel of st john where Jesus says; “the father and i are one” then says; the father is greater then i" ?? Can some explain this to me!!! Im like the ethiopian eunuch just looking for my philip!!! Also im a cradle catholic who has been asleep in his cradle for far to long!!!

The Father and Son and the Holy Spirit are one God.

The Father is greater than I part, I took to mean that a father is always greater than a son.

I could be wrong but I thought that you can’t divide the Son’s divine and human natures.

 

[elcristero]

So is Jesus, now that he is resurrected all divine or does he still have have humanity?? Did he always have it, because i understand that to God time is timeless? So is our Lord’s physical body in a continous cycle (from conception to to age 33) up in heaven?? Or is it just his 33 year old resurrected body (that was, is, and will be) i dont know if im making any sense here but what got me thinking about the physical shape of Christ in heaven is that in Mexico we venerate “El Santo Niño de Atocha” the boy Jesus so does the boy Jesus hear the prayers or the adult Jesus??

 

[Nita]

So is Jesus, now that he is resurrected all divine or does he still have have humanity??

Jesus still has His humanity - in its resurrected glorious state or course. His resurrected human nature is still united to His Divine nature.

Did he always have it, because i understand that to God time is timeless?

In the timelessness of God, I suppose you could say we all always existed for God. But, just as our human bodies and human souls had a beginning in time, so did the human body and human soul of Jesus have a beginning in time.

So is our Lord’s physical body in a continous cycle (from conception to to age 33) up in heaven?? Or is it just his 33 year old resurrected body (that was, is, and will be) i dont know if im making any sense here but what got me thinking about the physical shape of Christ in heaven is that in Mexico we venerate “El Santo Niño de Atocha” the boy Jesus so does the boy Jesus hear the prayers or the adult Jesus??

I don’t think there are definite answers to these questions. Some things we just can’t understand completely in this life. But there are a couple of points that can be made.

1. “Cycle” doesn’t seem like a good word to use. It’s not as tho Jesus continually repeats His 33 year life cycle.
2. In heaven, the body is subject to the soul; so in a sense, it’s as if when Jesus determines He wants His resurrected body to be in a certain place or even places, it is there. And if He wants it to have a certain appearance/age, it has that appearance/age. It does not necessary have to have the same physical characteristics of the body He had at any point prior to death. Thus, for example, in apparitions that people have of Jesus, He may have blue eyes when appearing to one person and brown eyes when appearing to another. The same applies to apparitions of saints - Mary, for instance.

As to who hears your prayers – there is only one Person in Jesus, and that is the Second Person of the Trinity (who is God), so it is God who hears your prayers - God in His resurrected human nature which you might say incorporates all of it’s 33 years on earth.
I like to think of the following verse in connection with this idea.Revelations 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord henceforth.” “Blessed indeed,” says the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, for** their deeds follow them**!” Everything Jesus (God united to human nature) did, from the moment of His conception, was a good deed; so I consider that everything about Jesus will be present in heaven. Sort of like absolutely everything He ever was, did and said is there – and He can manifest it whenever He wishes. I especially think of this in connection with the Mass where His offering of His life on Calvary for our salvation is re-presented.

 

[Azurestone]

So is Jesus, now that he is resurrected all divine or does he still have have humanity?? Did he always have it, because i understand that to God time is timeless? So is our Lord’s physical body in a continous cycle (from conception to to age 33) up in heaven?? Or is it just his 33 year old resurrected body (that was, is, and will be) i dont know if im making any sense here but what got me thinking about the physical shape of Christ in heaven is that in Mexico we venerate “El Santo Niño de Atocha” the boy Jesus so does the boy Jesus hear the prayers or the adult Jesus??

Jesus ascended into heaven body and soul. However, His age is always irrelevant. Jesus is eternal, just like the Father and the Spirit. When He became incarnate of the virgin Mary “the Word was made Flesh”. This was not the beginning of the Logos whom we call Jesus.

Therefore when you pray to Jesus, you pray to Him, as Him. Using a particular period of his life is for remembering Him as that form. I’m not familiar with that tradition, however I took the opportunity to learn:

ninoatocha.com/history.html

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The pious tradition of Santo Niño de Atocha is a story rich in both history and devotion. Although the Holy Child is the miracle worker, the devotion was originally a Marian one. As is proper, before a child is asked to do something, first the petitioner must ask permission from his mother. Thus, the prayers and novenas to the Infant of Atocha begin with a prayer to Mary, Our Lady of Atocha.

Tradition says devotion to Our Lady of Atocha and her wonderworking child originated in Antioch, and that St. Luke the Evangelist was the sculptor of the first mother-and-child image. Thus the word *Atocha could be a corruption of Antiochia. Devotion to Our Lady under this name spread rapidly, and by 1162 a beautiful medieval statue was in Toledo in the Church of St. Leocadia. In 1523, Charles V of Spain paid for an enormous temple and placed the statue under the care of the Dominicans. The image of the Divine Child was detachable, and devout families would borrow the image of the infant when a woman was about to give birth to her child.
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[twinc]

i was told that the bible never contradicts itself. well as i was reading the gospel of st john where Jesus says; “the father and i are one” then says; the father is greater then i" ?? Can some explain this to me!!! Im like the ethiopian eunuch just looking for my philip!!! Also im a cradle catholic who has been asleep in his cradle for far to long!!!

Jesus[human]Christ[God] was the son of Mary[human]and the son of God[divine]and so fully human and fully divine - in the first quote He was speaking about His divinity - in the second quote He is speaking about His humanity - twinc