Joint Protestant-Catholic liturgies

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Is the kind of ecumenical , joint Catholic-protestant endeavor such as Holy Apostles Church in Virginia have a future ?

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Its been around for 28 years with the approval of the local ordinary there, and its not totally without Catholic precedent. St. Charles Lwanga and the Catholic martyrs of Uganda had protestant companions who were also martyred, and reading their story, I assumed that they had close, ecumenical cooperation even before they were condemned.
 
Kielbasi, I find this experiment rather interesting especially in light that it had not only the approval but support from the Bishop of Richmond. I wonder, are there any explanations why the Bishop supported such an endevor? Finally, you said it was condemned, which made me wonder again who condemned it and when and what was there reasoning behind this condemnation especially in light of the initial support of the Local Bishop?
 
Finally, you said it was condemned,
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I didn’t mean that the Holy Apostles Church was condemned, the “condemned” remark is in reference to St. Lwanga who was condemned along with his Catholic and Anglican compatriots by the king of Uganda.

The parish and liturgies at Holy Apostles have been approved by the local church officials, both Catholic and Episcopal.
 
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Kielbasi, I find this experiment rather interesting especially in light that it had not only the approval but support from the Bishop of Richmond. I wonder, are there any explanations why the Bishop supported such an endevor? Finally, you said it was condemned, which made me wonder again who condemned it and when and what was there reasoning behind this condemnation especially in light of the initial support of the Local Bishop?
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Not a real supprise if you know who the prior Bishop was and what he allowed. It was a well known fact that he really didn’t care what Rome said about things.

I am supprised however that the new Bishop has allowed it to continue.
 
It’s ridiculous. This should be addressed and condemned by the Holy See. This is abusing Vatican II’s decree on ecumenism. They went way too far. This would only further bring more division. It’s almost like advertising to leave the Church and join the Episcopal Church.
 
Roman_Army said:
It’s ridiculous. This should be addressed by the Holy See. This is abusing Vatican II’s decree on ecumenism. They went way too far. This would only further bring more division. It’s almost like advertising to leave the Church and join the Episcopal Church.
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Can you be more specific about what Church teachings are being violated here?
 
** It’s almost like advertising to leave the Church and join the Episcopal Church.**__________________
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Depends on whether you look at a glass as half empty or half full.

Its similarly like advertising to leave the ECUSA and join the Catholic Church.
 
I have to admit that it is an interesting concept in and of itself. However, fortunatelly or unfortunatelly it is a violation of canon law big time.
 
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Madia:
Please read Redemptionis Sacramentum:
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particuraly #63, #64 and #172. I’m not sure what they are doing but it’s possibly gravely wrong.
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Yes, I’ve read it, several times. It’s good stuff! In my diocese, the Bishop has given exceptions to several of its requirements. Perhaps the Bishop there has done the same.
 
Michael Welter:
In my diocese, the Bishop has given exceptions to several of its requirements.
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Wait a minute. Is that even allowed? The Ten Commandments are not multiple choice; why would this document be?
 
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Madia:
Wait a minute. Is that even allowed? The Ten Commandments are not multiple choice; why would this document be?
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Canon Law allows the local Bishop to override Church law in certain circumstances.
 
Michael Welter:
Canon Law allows the local Bishop to override Church law in certain circumstances.
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Only in grave necessity or some pastoral reason that still must be submitted to the Holy See for recognition. The only exception to this is that when a Bishops Conference requests adaptations from the universal norm a Bishop may unilaterally decide to go with the Universal Law in his diocese without consultation of the Bishops Conference or the Holy See. This does not fit into this category. Also, it is a grave violation of the Code of Canon Law to do this and a Bishop does not have the right to summarily dismiss Canon Law for the sake of eccuminism.
 
**Ecumenism is dialogue with non-catholics outside the mass. It is also meant for converting others and to try to achieve unity of faith. It does not mean that there should be a church with two different faiths and celebrations going on at the same time under the same roof. This is liturgical abuse. It also somewhat supports the concept of the Body of Christ being divided up into parts, in which we can disagree and still be united. That’s wrong. I wonder how they do indulgences there without having fights over it and the feast of the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption.:whacky: **
 
It probably isn’t closed now because it would cause problems to close it.
 
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mgy100:
It probably isn’t closed now because it would cause problems to close it.
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I would suggest that heresy is a much bigger problem than hurt feelings.
 
Michael Welter:
Why?
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Because the new Bishop is very conservative and clearly in line with Rome. Rome has made it very clear that joint Catholic/Protestant Eucharistic liturgy is not permitted. Joint prayer services with the specific purpose of proper Ecumenism are acceptable from time to time.
 
It is an odd arrangement if you ask me. Who owns the building might be an issue as well.
 
Roman_Army said:
It’s ridiculous. This should be addressed and condemned by the Holy See. This is abusing Vatican II’s decree on ecumenism. They went way too far. This would only further bring more division. It’s almost like advertising to leave the Church and join the Episcopal Church.
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This kind of thing bastardises the Church, for there is one Church, the Catholic Church - not an “Anglolothic Church”, uniting Anglicanism and Catholicism, and making a hash of both.​

It would not be so bad if this were the liturgy of one or the other - but it’s a hybrid, a mongrel confusion of the two, not Anglican, not Catholic. This is the ecclesiology of Laodicea - a Babel confusion which is neither hot, nor cold, but lukewarm. ##
 
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