Judas's Betrayal

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John Chapter 13: 21-30

It finally dawned on me the other day when hearing this Gospel proclaimed by Father, and this question has been nagging me ever since.

Jesus told ALL who were present at the table that one of them would betray Him. In fact, He even said, “It is the one to whom I hand the morsel after I have dipped it.” Jesus then handed this morsel to Judas. Seems pretty clear to me

This is the part I DONT GET. When Jesus told Judas to do quickly what he was about to do, and Judas left, the other Apostols thought he was going to purchase things needed for the feast.
They were all sitting right there, TOGETHER when Jesus said the one who I give this morsel to will betray me.

How could the other Apostols NOT understand what was happening. :confused:

I need help in understanding this please.
 
JIMHO, I think the others just weren’t taking it in. I mean, who wants to hear that they are going to betray the person they’ve given up everything for to follow, whom you’ve believed was the divine Son of God long prophesied by your holy writings and prophets?

They walked with him, talked with him, went on at least one mission for him and still they didn’t “get it”. You can see this in Peter’s declaration, which the others all agreed with, that he would never betray Jesus. Even when Jesus told him he would and how he would do it, Peter simply couldn’t take it in.

The deeper things of God are hard to understand at the best of times and here was a group of men who had one idea about who and what the Messiah was and would do while God had other ideas completely. They simply couldn’t wrap their heads around it until after the Resurrection and Pentecost. We see this quite clearly from the biblical evidence. Even at the Ascension they were asking if now was the time for Jesus to establish his earthly reign. Nope, they just didn’t get it.
 
Yup!

They didn’t put two and two together. They probably didn’t realise that it was that very night that Judas was going to do the act of betrayal.

They maybe copped on that Judas was going to betray the Lord at some stage and realising that he was one of the 12 they proably assumed that they would be around if he ever tried to do something and would witness it and then do something about it.

Maybe too they thought “Let him just try, we’ll be ready.”

To be more serious about it satan had entered Judas heart and inspired him to go do it and maybe satan spiritually blinded the rest and put thier hearts and minds into confusion…

Only my own musings…

Funny, I had always wondered did Judas do it as an act of evil and greed or did he do it misunderstanding exactly what the High Priests were going to do. I mean there are some visual interpretations (films, docus etc.) where Judas is shown as eager to let Jesus prove himself before those who were out for His blood. So Judas led them all to Jesus in the hope that the High Priests would then come to realise that He was the Christ.

Only tonight have I realised that in fact it was an act of evil, inspired by satan. Ah well ya always learn something when ya actually listen.
 
You got it…and it’s not that much different than the two disciples who encountered the risen Jesus on the road to Emmaus and only recognized Him in the Eucharistic breaking of the bread. And even more poignant is the way we all tend to miss seeing Our Lord in “the least of the brethren”…so I think it’s a human thing…sort of like what most of us call “selective hearing loss”.
Pax vobiscum,
 
Thanks for the insight all. It just seemed so strange to me that men who lived with and followed Jesus for three years could still be so “blind”. But maybe that was the way it was suppose to be.

Father told us that we could hear the same reading over and over and come up with different questions or understandings every time. This one just puzzled me.

The “Selective Hearing” made sense to me, or maybe they were so caught up in the events taking place at that time, it just “went over their heads”.

In any case, thanks for helping me understand this passage better.
 
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Thanks for the insight all. It just seemed so strange to me that men who lived with and followed Jesus for three years could still be so “blind”. But maybe that was the way it was suppose to be.

Father told us that we could hear the same reading over and over and come up with different questions or understandings every time. This one just puzzled me.

The “Selective Hearing” made sense to me, or maybe they were so caught up in the events taking place at that time, it just “went over their heads”.

In any case, thanks for helping me understand this passage better.
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Put it in personal perspective. Have you ever failed to see Christ in others Have you ever failed to understand where Christ is leading you, only to “wake up” one day and go “Oh, that’s what that was all about!”? Have you ever looked back and seen what now weems obvious, but you didn’t catch at the time?
 
I always find the late Archbisop Sheen’s contrast of Peter and Judas very very thought provoking. Among other things, they both deny Jesus, but Peter repents whereas Judas does not…
 
I understood this differently - John, “the one most loved by Jesus”, leaned over and asked Jesus “Who was it?” And then Jesus replied with the morsel comment. Read the verse carefully, from RSV-CE you will see Jesus ANSWERED John, it was not a public comment:

21 When Jesus had thus spoken, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, “Truly, truly, I say to you, one of you will betray me.” 22 The disciples looked at one another, uncertain of whom he spoke. 23 One of his disciples, whom Jesus loved, was lying close to the breast of Jesus; 24 so Simon Peter beckoned to him and said, “Tell us who it is of whom he speaks.” 25 **So lying thus, close to the breast of Jesus, he said to him, “Lord, who is it?” 26 **Jesus answered, “It is he to whom I shall give this morsel when I have dipped it.” So when he had dipped the morsel, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. 27 Then after the morsel, Satan entered into him. Jesus said to him, “What you are going to do, do quickly.” 28 Now no one at the table knew why he said this to him.
 
I have always wondered about Judas. Was his “part” in the salvation story a scripted plan by God? Did he, at all times, have “free will”? If so, how would the passion, death, and resurrection of our Lord played out without the “handing over” by Judas? Would someone else have taken Judas’ place? Why did Jesus say “It would have been better had you not been born” in reference to Judas? Was he (Judas) cursed? Judas, after the betrayal, was sorry, but believing he was beyond help, hanged himself. Did he go to Hell? What conditions must be present to be forgiven (and saved) in special situations as these. A posting was made in reference to the Judas betrayal to Fulton Sheen. I’m new to this forum and not exactly adept at getting the right message to the right people, so I appeal to you all to let me know what work by Fulton Sheen is the Judas betrayal discussed? Thank you
 
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ISo when he had dipped the morsel, he gave it to Judas, the son of Simon Iscariot. 27 Then after the morsel, Satan entered into him.
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Judas is revealed as the traitor in the eating of the bread at the Passover meal–AKA at the Institution of the Eucharist. Doesn’t it clearly show what Paul was talking about in I Cor.11

Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12

Judas was there when Christ explained in John 6 that we are to eat His flesh and drink His blood to have life. In John 6 Judas is also pointed out as the betrayer. I do not think this is coincidence–I do not think Judas believed–and he consumed the Eucharist unworthily.
 
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