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I was wondering what fellow Catholics think about Carl Jung and his research, especially in the areas of:

Individuation

Jung’s theories about the “Quadrinity” and the completeness of four-ness (of course, he was speaking from a psychological viewpoint, not a theological one)

Mary as completing the “Quadrinity” (Again, this is to be understood in psychological imagery, *not *theological equation with Mary to God)

Archtypes and the Universal Unconsciousness

Jung’s research showing that Catholics are less likely to need counselling and pshychiatric help, due to the theraputic structure of the Catholic Church (especially confession).

I was just wondering y’all’s thoughts on this? Orthodox and Protestants welcome too! 🙂
 
Hi, I used to be a ‘fan’ and at one time believed that Jung’s theories were the most compatible with Catholicism of any form of psychology. I undertook two years of personal Jungian psychotherapy as part of my training in counselling and psychology.

Since then, and partly as a result of the that experience, I’ve changed my mind. I now believe that Jung is a false friend to Catholics. He stated famously, in a late television interview that he did not need to believe in God because he ‘knew’. This attitude is miles away from the attitude of "Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!’ and the cloud of unknowing that many saints and mystics have spoken of (most recently, Mother Theresa).

Jung’s theory of individuation is an attractive lie about the human person. Essentially, it is a Gnostic position, which believes in sanctification through integration of the archetypes of the collective unconscious with the person’s psyche.

The quaternity is a mockery of the Trinitarian reality into which we are created, and called and saved by the Lord. The imprint of the Blessed Trinity “vestigia trinitatis” is all over us, in many ways.

Much more compatible with Catholicism is the Logotherapy approach first developed by Viktor Frankl and expanded by his followers. In his 1997 memoir Frankl recalls his meeting with POPE PAUL VI who “acknowledged the significance of logotherapy for the Catholic church and for all of human kind”.
 
Hi, I used to be a ‘fan’ and at one time believed that Jung’s theories were the most compatible with Catholicism of any form of psychology. I undertook two years of personal Jungian psychotherapy as part of my training in counselling and psychology.
You probably have a lot more experience then, since I am just now studying psych in College (although I’ve studied it since freshman year)
Since then, and partly as a result of the that experience, I’ve changed my mind. I now believe that Jung is a false friend to Catholics. He stated famously, in a late television interview that he did not need to believe in God because he ‘knew’. This attitude is miles away from the attitude of "Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!’ and the cloud of unknowing that many saints and mystics have spoken of (most recently, Mother Theresa).
Yes, clearly Jung was not a saint. But his research and theories are not a total waste, I don’t believe. Perhaps if re-interpreted in Catholic light…
Jung’s theory of individuation is an attractive lie about the human person. Essentially, it is a Gnostic position, which believes in sanctification through integration of the archetypes of the collective unconscious with the person’s psyche.
I don’t think individuation was totally off-base though. Perhaps his way of attaining it was wrong, but, the whole theory mustn’t be discarded… right?
The quaternity is a mockery of the Trinitarian reality into which we are created, and called and saved by the Lord. The imprint of the Blessed Trinity “vestigia trinitatis” is all over us, in many ways.
Perhaps he missed the mark. What are these “vestigia trinitatis” you speak of? I’ve actually never heard this before, it sounds interesting.
Much more compatible with Catholicism is the Logotherapy approach first developed by Viktor Frankl and expanded by his followers. In his 1997 memoir Frankl recalls his meeting with POPE PAUL VI who “acknowledged the significance of logotherapy for the Catholic church and for all of human kind”.
This is very interesting. I’ve never heard of Logotherapy. What, exactly is it? If it’s good enough for the Pope, it’s good enough for me! 👍
 
This is very interesting. I’ve never heard of Logotherapy. What, exactly is it? If it’s good enough for the Pope, it’s good enough for me! 👍
I’ve never heard of that either and am be interested in learnng more. I’m not sure if the links I’ve found are relaible though.

Anyone have a good solid link on this? Perhaps on another thread, or even here in this thread if appropriate.
 
Matariel,

You’re right. I was too hard on Jung. He often has sublime insights but he is dangerous. He uses a lot of religious language, but Jung’s ‘God’ is identical to the integrated self. His movement is, therefore, a form of self-worship ultimately.

Here are a couple of reliable links on Logotherapy:
logotherapy.univie.ac.at/e/logotherapy.html
logotherapyinstitute.org/

Here’s one relating Frankl to the anthropology (philosophy of human nature) of Karol Wojtyla, Pope John Paul II logotherapyinstitute.org/v3n1/v3n1a14.pdf.
 
Matariel,

You’re right. I was too hard on Jung. He often has sublime insights but he is dangerous. He uses a lot of religious language, but Jung’s ‘God’ is identical to the integrated self. His movement is, therefore, a form of self-worship ultimately.
Yes, but you see, we were told in Psych. class that when Jung referred to religious imagery, and to ‘God’ he was talking pyschologically, not about the theological existence/attributes of a God-who-exists-in-reality. He was talking about religious imagery in our minds view, completely unrelated to the real theological question of God’s attributes/existence. 🤷
Here’s one relating Frankl to the anthropology (philosophy of human nature) of Karol Wojtyla, Pope John Paul II logotherapyinstitute.org/v3n1/v3n1a14.pdf.
Ok, I will check 'em out and research 'em. Thanks for the info. 👍
 
An interesting, and disturbing , book written by Carl Jung is called, “Psychology of Western Religion.”

In it Jung refers to the quadrinity as different things. One is that the “Quadrinity” is the four persons in one God: Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and the devil. He states that the devil is the evil part of God who caused “murder” and “sickness” in the Old Testament.

Jung states, “Certainly the God of the Old Testament is good and evil. He is the Father or Creator of Satan as well as of Christ.”

Jung states, “I am indeed convinced that evil is a positive a factor as good.”

Jung states, “If man were positively the origin of all evil,he would possess a power equal or almost equal to that of the good. which is God.”

Jung states, “I strongly advocate, therefore, a revision of our religious formulas with the aid of psychological insight.”

If you’re a faithful catholic studying Counseling, here’s a hint.

St. Thomas argues that God is Happiness. The goal of every secular psychotherapy is to help make the patient happier. The Catholic understanding of God is therefore the best way to pick apart any secular psychological theory. Jung rejects everything who God is, and his psychotherapy is designed to mislead.

I think Jungian Psychology is simply a trap. Almost every practicing Jungian psychotherapist, who I have known, has been involved in the occult in some way. The devil is very intelligent, and knows you better than you know yourself. Studying Jungian psychology in not simply an intellectual exercise, it involves spiritual combat. Know what your getting into.

If you want to learn about Logotherapy, I encourage you study how Victor Frankl found joy and peace (the grace of hope) in the midst of his suffering in a concentration camp. Frankl created Logotherapy. Try his book, “Man’s Search for Meaning,”
 
Yes, but you see, we were told in Psych. class that when Jung referred to religious imagery, and to ‘God’ he was talking pyschologically, not about the theological existence/attributes of a God-who-exists-in-reality
Yes, that is my point. “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain”. “Let your ‘yes’ be ‘yes’ and your ‘no’ be ‘no’”. Jung’s ‘God’ is not God.

Let’s imagine your name is Jim Briggs. You hear Bill telling Bob that he just has to meet Jim and your ears prick up. “That’s me” you say, but Bill says, “No, I have no interest in whether you exist, I want Bob to meet his inner Jim, the one that is part of himself”. Both you and Bob might understandably feel aggrieved as well as confused.

This is what Jung does to God and to spiritual seekers. By confusing the spiritual and psychological dimensions of the human person and by depersonalizing God, he makes his own mind and those of his patients into gods. This is a grave sin against the first commandment and turns the self into a hideous idol, I would argue. Our hearts were made for Him and cannot find rest outside of Him. Jung’s Gnostic pseudo religion is a counterfeit of the promise of the Gospel. It’s not worth exchanging our birthright as adopted sons and daughters of the Beloved Father for the mess of pottage of Jung’s false teaching. Believe me, I have been there and speak from experience.

However, you must decide for yourself. Here’s an article for, and one against:

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Thomas M. King, S.J., is a professor of theology at Georgetown University in Washington, D.C. His book, Jung’s Four & Some Philosophers, is shortly to be published by the University of Notre Dame Press.

…Jung wondered: “Was the urge of the unconscious perhaps only apparently reaching out towards the person [the psychiatrist himself], but in a deeper sense towards a god? Could the longing for a god be a passion welling up from our darkest instinctual nature, deeper and stronger perhaps than the love for a human person?” These questions would have immense implications for the directions his thoughts would take.

As Jung continued working with the woman referred to above, he found that an inner “function” of sorts began to gather to itself the excessive esteem that had been projected onto him, the psychiatrist. The over-valuations began expressing themselves beyond Jung in what he termed a “trans-personal control-point” or “a vision of God,” a “divine image.” With the appearance of this image the transference had passed, and the woman could end her treatment. She had found a god or a god- image beyond her therapist. Her unconscious seemed to have produced an understanding of “God,” and by that very process she was healed.

Discovering this drive for “God” soon became central in Jung’s therapy. If he were working with a Catholic (he tells of working with only a few) he would insist the Catholic first be reconciled with the church. This assisted both in the healing and in ending the transference. “Catholics and some Protestants can return to the mysteries of the church…all others, unless there is a violent and injurious solution, get stuck in the transference relationship.”

Consider the question Jung had asked himself: “Could the longing for a god be a passion welling up from our darkest instinctual nature?” Freud had maintained that our libido was fundamentally sexual; but Jung came to understand the libido in a broader sense, and at its center he saw a religious passion. Apart from the rational assent our conscious mind might make to God, Jung saw an unrecognized drive to God rising “from our darkest instinctual nature.” By encouraging this “passion” he would lead his troubled patient to an inner healing. This connection of healing with the discovery of God could remind one of a phrase of St. Augustine, “You have made us for yourself, O God, and our hearts are restless until they find their rest in you.” For centuries Catholic spiritual directors had echoed St. Augustine as they sought to bring rest to restless hearts. Could a modern psychiatrist be coming to the same conclusion?



By presenting such ideas in the 1930’s, Jung soon attracted attention in church circles. (In 1934 Teilhard de Chardin found Jung’s ideas “curiously akin” to his own.) He asked to work with a Catholic theologian, and Victor White, O.P., who was teaching at Blackfriars, Oxford, began cooperating with him closely. Father White’s taste for psychology and Jung’s taste for theology gave them a working relationship and a stormy friendship that lasted a decade. In 1952 Jung brought White to his private country retreat, where they spent 10 days working together. Jung would insist he was only an empiricist studying the human soul, while White would press him to use greater care in speaking of philosophy and theology. In 1952 White published a highly insightful book, God and the Unconscious, to which Jung contributed a foreword: “It is now many years since I expressed a desire for cooperation with the theologian, but I little knew-or even dreamt-how or to what extent my wish was to be fulfilled.” Jung also met or corresponded with other priest-theologians: Raymond Hostie, S.J., from Louvain; Josef Ruden, S.J., from Innsbruck, and the Rev. Josef Goldbrunner from Regensburg.

…Today both Christians and devotees of the New Age can learn something from Carl Jung.

AGAINST​

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The following is a summary of two articles which appeared in the Priests for Life Bulletin, fall of 2003: Fr. Jim Whalen, “Assessment of the New Age Movement” and Fr. Paul Burchat, “New Age and Christian Faith in Contrast.” The summary is by Catholic Insight staff. --Editor

Father Whaleri describes the New Age Movement as a subtle but real danger to the Catholic faith, following the document published by the Vatican in April 2003 (see “Vatican on New Age”, C.I., June 2003, p.17). “The time is sure to.come,” said St. Paul in 2 Tim., “when people will not be content with sound teaching but will turn to the latest novelty.”

New Age is an almost indefinable movement, which adheres to myths rather than objective truth; it teaches ethical relativism, which allows each person to choose from different alternatives, so that ethics becomes a matter of personal opinion. If someone wants to be pro-contraception and pro-abortion, his decision is regarded as right for him.

Gnosticism

Pope John Paul says that New Age is only a new way of practising Gnosticism and ancient heresies which replace God’s Word with purely human words. Gnosticism suggested that individuals should tune in to a universal consciousness using any method that works, from crystal balls to drugs and dream therapy. It taught that enquiry into spiritual truth was more important than faith, that salvation was attainable only by the few whose faith enabled them to transcend matter, and that Christ was non-corporeal. New Age ideas may influence even practising Catholics, who may not see the incompatibility of these ideas with Church doctrine. It preaches that “As long as what you do is done with love, and don’t harm anyone, then it’s O.K.”–implying tolerance of immoral sexual relationships and undermining marriage and family life. In fact, Cardinal Poupard has said that Catholics would be better off believing in “encounters with aliens” than in the New Age Movement.

Whalen writes that New Age incorporates beliefs and practices from many different sources. It involves a complete break with traditions, however. Archbishop Norberto Rivera points out how it “depersonalizes the God of Christian revelation … disfigures the person of Jesus Christ, devalues His mission, and ridicules His redeeming sacrifice… It discards the human person’s moral responsibility and denies the existence of sin.”

What the New Age Movement attempts to do, Fr. Whalen writes, “runs counter to Christian revelation. Christians must root themselves evermore firmly in the fundamentals of faith and … understand the often silent cry in people’s hearts, which leads them elsewhere if they are not satisfied by the Church.’”

Christian faith

Father Whalen’s “Assessment” is followed by one by Father Paul Burchat on “New Age and Christian Faith in Contrast.” In this system, he writes, “God loses His transcendence and His unique personality and now everyone and everything becomes God. Ultimately, God is what I want Him to be and I control God and not vice versa.” Jesus becomes one among many wise men and not the Son of God.

New Age claims that through various techniques we should be able to reproduce mystical states at will, re-invent the core of our being, achieve a state of union with the cosmos which denies our separation from it as distinct entities, and so on. In New Age thought, we save ourselves. This notion is at the heart of such catch phrases as “self-fulfillment”, “self-realization,” and “self-redemption.” And New Age truth is a matter of finding one’s own truth in accordance with the “feel-good” factor.

Jungian influences

Father Whalen concludes with an article on “Deceptive mythic perspectives?” Carl Jung believed that his knowledge of the psyche (the collective unconscious and its archetypes) unlocked the real meaning of religion and personality. States another writer: "Jung, indeed … not only psychologized esotericism but he also sacralized psychology, by filling it with the contents of esoteric speculation.

“The result was a body of theories, which enabled people to talk about God while really meaning their own psyche, and about their psyche while really meaning the divine.”

Jung thought that “psychology is the modern myth and only in terms of the current myth can we understand faith.”

Jung’s thought is subtle and difficult. However, his God is not the Christian God–for one thing, he is a being in whom both good and evil meet.

Father Jim Whalen is an Ottawa parish priests for Life Canada. Fr. Paul Burchat is associated with Madonna House, Combermere, ON.
 
You too Psychotheosophy! Excellent points. I hope they were helpful to you, Matariel.
 
You too Psychotheosophy! Excellent points. I hope they were helpful to you, Matariel.
Thanks a lot, those points above were great. All and all, maybe Jungian Psychology is a bit dangerous. Although I don’t think it should be thrown completely out the window, it needs a lot of critique from a orthodox Catholic viewpoint. Logotherapy seems a lot better of an alternative. I’m going to investigate this further.
 
I was wondering what fellow Catholics think about Carl Jung and his research, especially in the areas of:

Individuation

Jung’s theories about the “Quadrinity” and the completeness of four-ness (of course, he was speaking from a psychological viewpoint, not a theological one)

Mary as completing the “Quadrinity” (Again, this is to be understood in psychological imagery, *not *theological equation with Mary to God)

Archtypes and the Universal Unconsciousness

Jung’s research showing that Catholics are less likely to need counselling and pshychiatric help, due to the theraputic structure of the Catholic Church (especially confession).

I was just wondering y’all’s thoughts on this? Orthodox and Protestants welcome too! 🙂
I find a lot of Jung’s theories interesting and am currently researching him for the pro-life movement. His belief in the circular nature of the self or psyche and unus mundus, aswell as his interest in alchemy and the philosopher’s egg can be applied to conception. I believe that a fertilised egg is a mandala of the womb realm and Jung was a proponent of mandala. The Eucharist is also a mandala and a symbol of Unus Mundus.

Universal unconsciousness may just mean that we can communicate with each others’ soul via prayer or cursing which could be a cause of some symptoms of schizophrenia and hearing voices. But too much stimulus to a person’s imagination can cause schizophrenic symptoms aswell as poor diet, sleep pattern, drugs, and triggers such as certain films.
 
I find a lot of Jung’s theories interesting and am currently researching him for the pro-life movement. His belief in the circular nature of the self or psyche and unus mundus, aswell as his interest in alchemy and the philosopher’s egg can be applied to conception. I believe that a fertilised egg is a mandala of the womb realm and Jung was a proponent of mandala. The Eucharist is also a mandala and a symbol of Unus Mundus.

Universal unconsciousness may just mean that we can communicate with each others’ soul via prayer or cursing which could be a cause of some symptoms of schizophrenia and hearing voices. But too much stimulus to a person’s imagination can cause schizophrenic symptoms aswell as poor diet, sleep pattern, drugs, and triggers such as certain films.
Viewing Jung must be done through a thoroughly orthodox Catholic lens, in which case many aspects of it must be amended. Interestingly, it seems to go hand-in-hand with Teilhard de Chardin’s views, in a way— or Pope Benedict’s remarks about God’s plan to transform the world to become “a living Host” reflecting the Almighty.
 
Hi, I used to be a ‘fan’ and at one time believed that Jung’s theories were the most compatible with Catholicism of any form of psychology. I undertook two years of personal Jungian psychotherapy as part of my training in counselling and psychology.

Since then, and partly as a result of the that experience, I’ve changed my mind. I now believe that Jung is a false friend to Catholics. He stated famously, in a late television interview that he did not need to believe in God because he ‘knew’. This attitude is miles away from the attitude of "Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!’ and the cloud of unknowing that many saints and mystics have spoken of (most recently, Mother Theresa).

Jung’s theory of individuation is an attractive lie about the human person. Essentially, it is a Gnostic position, which believes in sanctification through integration of the archetypes of the collective unconscious with the person’s psyche.

The quaternity is a mockery of the Trinitarian reality into which we are created, and called and saved by the Lord. The imprint of the Blessed Trinity “vestigia trinitatis” is all over us, in many ways.

Much more compatible with Catholicism is the Logotherapy approach first developed by Viktor Frankl and expanded by his followers. In his 1997 memoir Frankl recalls his meeting with POPE PAUL VI who “acknowledged the significance of logotherapy for the Catholic church and for all of human kind”.
Michael Novak in his book “No One Sees God” places the Jung quote you reference in this context:

One Comes To Know His Presence
I came to learn that, while one can come to know that God is present, our minds are unable to form an adequate conception of Him, or to grasp Him with any of our five senses, or to imagine Him. His mode of drawing us into His presence is necessarily by way of absence, silence, nothingness. I remember an image fixed in my mind by the poetry of Saint John of the Cross, mentioned earlier: “The place where he . . . was awaiting me – A place where none appeared.”

It must necessarily be so. The true God is beyond human concepts, senses, imagination, memory. On those frequencies, He is not reachable. Mother Teresa of Calcutta acknowledged her inability to reach God on human wavelengths in a 1979 letter to one of her spiritual directors, the Reverend Michael Van Der Peet:

“Jesus has a very special love for you. [But] as for me – the silence and the emptiness is so great – that I look and do not see – listen and do not hear”

If a Christian has not yet known this darkness and aridity, it is a sign that the Lord is still treating him like a child at the breast, too unformed for the adult darkness in which alone the true God is found. Any who think they can make idols, or images, or pictures, or concepts of God remain underdeveloped in their faith. Darkness is not a sign of unbelief, or even of doubt, but a sign of the true relation between the Creator and the creature.

God is not on our frequency; and when we get beyond our usual range, which in prayer we must, we reach only darkness. This is painful. In a way, it does make one doubt; in another way, experience shows us that when one is no longer a child, one leaves childish ways behind.

Our intellects, our will – these can reach out to God, like arrows of inquiry shot up into the infinite night. These are not shot in vain. They mark out a direction. Waiting in silence, in abandonment, even in the dry sands of the desert, one comes to know His presence. Not believe in it. Know it.

In a 1959 interview with the BBC, C. G. Jung once made the same point. Asked whether he believed in God, Jung replied, “I don’t believe – I know.” This is a dark knowledge. One cannot expect anyone else to know it, unless they have also walked the rocky and darkling path – or somehow by God’s grace been brought to it by a different journey, along a different route. Ascent of the Mountain, Plight of the Dove, I called another book of mine. Some of us labor sweatily, others are borne on eagle’s wings.

I do not mean that this knowledge consists of warm sentiments, feelings of devotion, uplift, and “faith.” I mean a certain quiet emptiness. A dark resonance of wills. Echo to echo.

Mother Teresa wrote of her own emptiness in 1961: “I accept not in my feelings – but with my will, the Will of God – I accept His will.”

This is not a “will” characterized by effort, unrelenting desire, unshakable determination. I mean something almost the opposite: the quiet of abandonment, and trust. This is another mode of will, quite different from the striving will. It is. the willingness to forgo any other reinforcement except the blind and dark love we direct toward that infinite Light, on which we cannot set our eyes.

Nor do I mean a turning away from intellect or rationality On the contrary, I mean taking these with utter seriousness “all the way down” to the very roots of the universe. I mean trusting our own rationality our own intellect. I mean serene confidence in infinite Light, even when our senses go quite dark. Trust the light, the evidence-demanding eros of inquiry, within us. I mean the suffering love in which that Light issues forth among us. Not to, remove us from suffering. But to transfigure us by means of it."

Interesting that you interpreted the Jung’s comment in opposition to Mother Teresa’s experience while Novak melded the two.

A fuller reflection here:

payingattentiontothesky.com/2009/05/13/the-dark-knowledge-of-god/

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currently, I am interested in Anthropology, and there are two sub-disciplines that particularly interest me, psychological anthropology and philosophical anthropology. I am interested to see how logotherapy would work applied to psychological anthropology, what more truth can be can be found about human culture and thought?
 
Matariel,

You’re right. I was too hard on Jung. He often has sublime insights but he is dangerous. He uses a lot of religious language, but Jung’s ‘God’ is identical to the integrated self. His movement is, therefore, a form of self-worship ultimately.
I believe Jung saw the “integrated self” as a reflection of God, not God himself; a kind of “imago dei”. He did have a predilection for Gnosticism and other heresies like Alchemy, but his psychology wasn’t a religion. It involved a study of religion and of religious symbols. There is also a trend withing the Jungian movement (I got this from a Jungian shrink that I saw about 30 or 40 years ago) that individuation might be a goal rather than an actually attainable state within this life.
 
For what it’s worth, this from Wikipedia:

"In 1952 Martin Buber and Jung exchanged letters regarding a paper Buber had published entitled “Religion and Modern Thinking”. In his rejoinder, Buber claimed that Jung had strayed outside his realm of expertise into theology by asserting that God does not exist independent of the psyches of human beings. He concluded that Jung was “mystically deifying the instincts instead of hallowing them in faith”, which he called a “modern manifestation of Gnosis.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_interpretation_of_religion
 
For what it’s worth, this from Wikipedia:

"In 1952 Martin Buber and Jung exchanged letters regarding a paper Buber had published entitled “Religion and Modern Thinking”. In his rejoinder, Buber claimed that Jung had strayed outside his realm of expertise into theology by asserting that God does not exist independent of the psyches of human beings. He concluded that Jung was “mystically deifying the instincts instead of hallowing them in faith”, which he called a “modern manifestation of Gnosis.”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungian_interpretation_of_religion
I guess “Answer to Job” is the crux of the issue. In most of his work where he uses religious symbolism as part of his therapeutic work, but he doesn’t make any direct metaphysical statements. He couldn’t because he was speaking to people of many faiths. But in his more personal works, like “Answer to Job” or “The Red Book” which was just recently published, he displays a kind of Gnostic tendency. But you can read Jung and never come across Gnosticism except in the same way that you might come across the mythology of the Navaho people, or other cultures.

Jung’s theology is questionable but he wasn’t a theologian, and his work can be read without reference to theology.
 
I personally really like Jung’s theories. I think they’re definitely good food for thought if nothing else. Primarily he makes the case that the religious function is something that is inherent in our psyche’s, that we have a religious instinct that in his words searches for “wholeness.” He thought that a great deal of the psychic problems we face today in the modern world comes from our growing separation from the recognition of our need to find a life that is spiritually worth living.

He spoke of Christ as being the most differentiated example of the Self that has ever existed, the Self being an archetype of the unconscious that signifies sort of a fully conscious individual. Now, he was speaking of this psychologically, not theologically.

He also said that Christianity forces people to confront their shadow (i.e. Satan). Since Christ is wholly good, he lacks a shadow, which is a component of wholeness. These opposites percolate in consciousness of Christianity and are expressed in the eschatological terms of the apocalypse. So we as Christians are forced into a direct moral conflict where we have to choose between Christ or Satan. This forces us to look at and examine ourselves and somehow come to terms with our own sinful nature, not giving into it, but acknowledging that yes it is there but through the redeeming grace of God we can transcend it. He compared this to the alchemical process, in which he said the alchemists projected this process of redemption unconsciously onto matter.

Anyway in summary I don’t think that he was in conflict with catholicism, but of course i’m sure many of you disagree. I really feel its a matter of proper understanding.
 
I personally really like Jung’s theories. I think they’re definitely good food for thought if nothing else. Primarily he makes the case that the religious function is something that is inherent in our psyche’s, that we have a religious instinct that in his words searches for “wholeness.” He thought that a great deal of the psychic problems we face today in the modern world comes from our growing separation from the recognition of our need to find a life that is spiritually worth living.

He spoke of Christ as being the most differentiated example of the Self that has ever existed, the Self being an archetype of the unconscious that signifies sort of a fully conscious individual. Now, he was speaking of this psychologically, not theologically.

He also said that Christianity forces people to confront their shadow (i.e. Satan). Since Christ is wholly good, he lacks a shadow, which is a component of wholeness. These opposites percolate in consciousness of Christianity and are expressed in the eschatological terms of the apocalypse. So we as Christians are forced into a direct moral conflict where we have to choose between Christ or Satan. This forces us to look at and examine ourselves and somehow come to terms with our own sinful nature, not giving into it, but acknowledging that yes it is there but through the redeeming grace of God we can transcend it. He compared this to the alchemical process, in which he said the alchemists projected this process of redemption unconsciously onto matter.

Anyway in summary I don’t think that he was in conflict with catholicism, but of course i’m sure many of you disagree. I really feel its a matter of proper understanding.
I agree with you. And the thing to remember is that the conflict was personal. You can view his wider theories independently of his personal religious beliefs and they don’t conflict with Catholicism.
 
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