Just lost our baby again....question

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My husband and I have been married 20 years and we have 5 living children. Over the course of our marriage we’ve lost 4 babies to early miscarriage (the last 2 were back-back----a couple days ago and this past January). I posted a question back in January when we lost our 3rd child about where our babies go after death if they weren’t baptised. The 2 main theories I got were that either they went to limbo where they don’t get to see the beatific vision of Christ, but were as happy as they can be, or… that they are able to go to heaven because even though we have “ordinary” ways to salvation here on earth through baptism, God has “extraordinary” ways for our babies to go to heaven without baptism by water…per se.

I guess there’s no way to know for sure and theologians haven’t quite decided either, but the question I have is…IF babies go to limbo, when Christ comes again for the Final Judgement, will those babies get to go to heaven at THAT point? I think what I’m really getting at is…will we ever get to see our babies and be with them in eternity?

I know how much God loves children and I just can’t imagine that he wouldn’t someday allow them to see his face and live in true eternal happiness. I need to know that they’re alright. (There is also a sub-forum under the main forum of parenting on here for “little saints in heaven”----I only hope that one day our babies are or will be someday…)

Thank you…I’d appreciate any insight.

God bless,
Danielle
 
Danielle, my heart aches to hear of another child lost to you and your family. My prayers are with you and your family at this tough time… again. 😦

My personal view of stillborn children: Those little children had a soul while they were wiggling around inside their mommy, and that little child’s soul receives a “Baptism of Desire” through the love of its mother; my opinion is that as soon as that tiny unborn baby loses its physical life to whatever complication, its little soul rockets heavenward to play in Jesus & Mary’s playpen forever.

Again, my love and condolences…
 
Sending my condolences as well, may our Lord comfort you in your hour of need.

I heard on the local Catholic radio that limbo is no longer supported by the church, correct me if I misheard it guys. Can’t imagine there would be any problem at all with believing their souls shoot straight to heaven, special consolations absolutely have to be there for them, for we have a just God.
 
I am so sorry for your loss.

I like this thought from a protestant pastor:
Speaking of infants who pass away: The blood of Jesus Christ has covered them and washed away their sins, just as it has ours. Just because babies cannot make a decision for God does not prohibit Him from making a decision for them.

What Will My Little One Be Like in Heaven?

Will infants and young children be infants and young children for all of eternity? I don’t think so. The Bible doesn’t say for sure, but it does say that when we go to heaven we enjoy privileges that require adult minds, such as praising and glorifying God in meaningful service to Him. J. Vernon McGee said it this way: “I believe with all my heart that God will raise the little ones such that the mother’s arms who have ached for them will have the opportunity of holding them. The father’s hand which never held the little hand will be given the privilege. I believe that little ones will grow up in heaven in the care of their earthly parents if they are saved.” There is no biblical proof for this one way or the other, but it seems logical that babies will not have to endure eternal infancy. If babies cannot fully enjoy this life, how could we expect them to fully enjoy eternal life with God?
 
I have been told by those who should know that Limbo for unbaptized babies was only an unproven theological opinion and never was Catholic Doctrine. My own opinion and I think it is a good one is that since Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit are one that when we hear Jesus he is speaking for the whole Godhead during his sojourn on earth. He says to one of his apostles, If you have seen me or known me you have seen and have also known the Father. If we accept that at face value and follow what Jesus says and does with children, it gives very strong hope that unbaptized babies would go to heaven. The rule says that to be saved one must repent and be baptized and we are already taught in Vatican II that there are exceptions for some non-Christians why in the world would that not apply to innocent children. If someone has an opportunity to be baptized and turns it down with full knowledge that would be quite another matter. I believe that Jesus draws the innocents to himself and that they arrive in heaven long before their parents. Have Hope, lots of Hope. 👍
 
prodigalson12 said:
Sending my condolences as well, may our Lord comfort you in your hour of need.

I heard on the local Catholic radio that limbo is no longer supported by the church, correct me if I misheard it guys. Can’t imagine there would be any problem at all with believing their souls shoot straight to heaven, special consolations absolutely have to be there for them, for we have a just God.
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the Church still believes in the truth of purgatory, is limbo different from purgatory? if it is then limbo may be not be taught by the church, but if limbo and purgatory are the same then we do believe in it.
 
daniden said:
My husband and I have been married 20 years and we have 5 living children. Over the course of our marriage we’ve lost 4 babies to early miscarriage (the last 2 were back-back----a couple days ago and this past January). I posted a question back in January when we lost our 3rd child about where our babies go after death if they weren’t baptised. The 2 main theories I got were that either they went to limbo where they don’t get to see the beatific vision of Christ, but were as happy as they can be, or… that they are able to go to heaven because even though we have “ordinary” ways to salvation here on earth through baptism, God has “extraordinary” ways for our babies to go to heaven without baptism by water…per se.

I guess there’s no way to know for sure and theologians haven’t quite decided either, but the question I have is…IF babies go to limbo, when Christ comes again for the Final Judgement, will those babies get to go to heaven at THAT point? **I think what I’m really getting at is…will we ever get to see our babies and be with them in eternity? **

I know how much God loves children and I just can’t imagine that he wouldn’t someday allow them to see his face and live in true eternal happiness. I need to know that they’re alright. (There is also a sub-forum under the main forum of parenting on here for “little saints in heaven”----I only hope that one day our babies are or will be someday…)

Thank you…I’d appreciate any insight.

God bless,
Danielle
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Simple answer: There is no reason to believe that you wouldn’t meet them in eternity.

Limbo was only a theological theory, not accepted as doctrine. It was an attempt to theorize about what is unknown. But we do know, as you said, of God’s overwhelming Love and Grace.

You will see them again, and they’ll be alright in the meantime. 👍
 
Danielle,

I have written a couple of articles of theology on this topic:

Mystical Baptism and Limbo
catholicplanet.com/RCC/baptism-limbo.htm

Treatise on Mystical Baptism
catholicplanet.com/RCC/mystical-baptism.htm

There are strong theological reasons to believe that prenatals and infants who die without a formal Baptism are saved by a non-formal Baptism (a mystical Baptism). Their deaths unite them to Christ dying on the Cross for our salvation, which is the source of all Baptism.
 
prodigalson12 said:
Sending my condolences as well, may our Lord comfort you in your hour of need.

I heard on the local Catholic radio that limbo is no longer supported by the church, correct me if I misheard it guys. Can’t imagine there would be any problem at all with believing their souls shoot straight to heaven, special consolations absolutely have to be there for them, for we have a just God.
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this would be correct
limbo was only a Theological opinion, and not an infallible teaching of the Church

we should take comfort that Jesus wants the little children to come to Him
 
VetA said:
the Church still believes in the truth of purgatory, is limbo different from purgatory? if it is then limbo may be not be taught by the church, but if limbo and purgatory are the same then we do believe in it.
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They’re different.
 
VetA said:
the Church still believes in the truth of purgatory, is limbo different from purgatory? if it is then limbo may be not be taught by the church, but if limbo and purgatory are the same then we do believe in it.
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they are different

limbo is a place where the righteous, unbaptized people go to. this is where all the good people who died before the coming of Christ went to. after Christ died on the cross, He descended unto hell, which is this place, and freed the “captives”. it is believed he preached the Good News to them and let them to heaven

purgatory is a state where those who are near worthy to be in God’s presence are prepared and made worthy. through the purification of fire, one’s soul is cleansed from any small taint of sin

the Church dropped the theological opinion on limbo because there is no evidence that it exists post-Resurrection. limbo was necessary in the Old Testament as there was no way for those who have died to get to heaven. Jesus made that possible, therefore making limbo unnecessary

also, you may say that Purgatory replaced Limbo, as Purgatory also doesn’t serve a purpose in the Old Testament. since no one can get to heaven, there is no use preparing them for heaven
 
A question I have struggled with is…why do God fearing loving Catholics who wish to have kids have so much trouble having them…and these unwed sexually immoral people get pregnant all the time and then abort them at will…it troubles me.
 
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