Just when I thought I'd heard everything.....

[semperservus]

So much for the name-game.
But for added information, in the Philippines they use the word “kristo” to refer to an arbiter or referee in the cockfight now where did that come from?
I always thought that every language no matter how similar their origin maybe, can have different meanings depending on their own understanding and their own culture. Now, if you mix them all together we have the tower of Babel.

 

[TheQuestioner]

Actually his name is Yeshua or Yashua. That is what they would have called him when he was on earth. As to the name Jesus, I have no idea about that. And can anyone here give me a passage that says we have to go to church on sunday instead of saturday.

(by the way-some anti-catholics {BOOO } say that Constantine used December 25 as Christ’s birthday because he wanted to worship the sun as well as the son, and that December 25 was the day that the cult he belonged to believed was the day when the SUN was reborn. They also say that the reason why Catholic means universal is because Constantine wanted a religion where all his subjects could worship, that is why Catholicism has holidays from many pagan traditions.)

 

[Mary1973]

This lady sounds like she is a graduate of the “Jack Chick College of no Catholic Knowledge”.

 

[breneriu]

I’d bet she’s a Jehovas Witness.I’ve had many debates with them at work on those very topics.

 

[Mike_Rainville]

The Hebrew Catholics use the name Yeshua (nickname Yeshu?). Strictly speaking the Aramaic pronunciation used in Christ’s time, which no one can really know, can they, would be prefect.

Religious Tolerance site with yet more name variations…

Just speaking as a man, (Jesus was a man too, after all.)
I feel great when my name is used to express sincere affection for me, and it really doesn’t matter whether it’s Michel or Mike or Mikey, or handsome or you … It’s all about how you say it!

It occurs to me that we have all been referring to the King and Queen of the Universe by their nicknames for two millemia:

Jesus is from the nickname Yeshu (short for Yeshoshua) and Mary is from Miri, the short form of Miriam or Maryam.

Is this a great family, or is it?!

 

[RBushlow]

Second Exodus is a great reference to the Hebrew heritage and gives the Lords name as Yeshua.
secondexodus.com/

As far as the others, virtually every day of the year was dedicated to some pagan god (Wodens day, Thors day, Friedas day, Saturns day). Sunday used to be for the god of the Sun, but now it belongs to the Son of God; it’s the Lords day, as are all the rest.

 

[DanHillman]

I haven’t been able to start my own thread.
I’m not Catholic; I’m a born again evangelical Christian.
I have read a little about what some of you think about that and it appears that you think I’m deceived.
Yet, I find it refreshing that you Catholics are standing up for what you perceive the truth to be. It seems that most Catholics (at least the ones I talk to) seem to be Catholic in name only).
But, let me address the issue of baptism as a prerequisite for salvation with this one question: Do you think that the thief on the cross next to Christ, who asked Jesus to remember him, was not saved?
From what I can see in the Bible (having read the whole thing), what matters is a regenerated heart; not a sacrament.
Take Romans 10 for example. Here Paul addresses how to be saved. He did not mention baptism.
Now, I think that every believer should be baptized - but being baptized does not make a person saved.

 

[Sparky]

DanHillman:

I haven’t been able to start my own thread.
I’m not Catholic; I’m a born again evangelical Christian.
I have read a little about what some of you think about that and it appears that you think I’m deceived.
Yet, I find it refreshing that you Catholics are standing up for what you perceive the truth to be. It seems that most Catholics (at least the ones I talk to) seem to be Catholic in name only).
But, let me address the issue of baptism as a prerequisite for salvation with this one question: Do you think that the thief on the cross next to Christ, who asked Jesus to remember him, was not saved?

In Catholicism, we believe in what’s called the “Baptism of Desire” . For insance, if someone were on their way to be baptized and died in a car wreck, they’d still be saved because they desired baptism. The second thief falls into this category. Technically, he was baptized by desire.

From what I can see in the Bible (having read the whole thing), what matters is a regenerated heart; not a sacrament.

We believe Christ gave us the sacraments himself - as a means for us to acknowledge and accept his grace both physically and internally. He showed us the sacraments by example. Baptism, then, is necessary, for he himself submitted to baptism.

It is for this reason that he says “you must be born of WATER and the spirit”. He was not joking. He gave us this sacrament for our own well-being, so we might know him in a physical way, because we are physical beings, but also in a spiritual way, because we are spiritual beings and our souls are in need of salvation.

Now, I think that every believer should be baptized - but being baptized does not make a person saved.

Well, you’re right but for the wrong reason. We also believe that because someone is baptized does not mean they’re saved. If they died at the moment of baptism, or before they sinned after baptism, then surely they’d be saved because they’d be free of sin. But we believe that someone who accepts salvation can also toss it away by choosing to live a life of sinfulness and rejecting Christ even after accepting him. We don’t believe in “once saved always saved.” To believe that way is to make one a lazy Christian, someone who takes Christ’s sacrifice for granted.

Now that I’ve answered that, you should take your questions to the Apologetics forum, because you’ve changed the subject of this thread.
–Ann

 

[RBushlow]

DanHillman:

. . . .
But, let me address the issue of baptism as a prerequisite for From what I can see in the Bible (having read the whole thing

I guess you missed that part:
John 3: 5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "

 

[RBushlow]

DanHillman:

I haven’t been able to start my own thread.

On the main forum window (one level up from here), on the left near the top there is the “New Thread” button. Hope this helps.

Yours in Christ.

 

[Frank4YAHWEH]

Jesus

The original name of our Saviour was not Jesus or Iesous, but Yahshua. In our Saviour’s word, His Father’s Name was given to Him. The Father’s Name is Yahweh.

Two factors contributed greatly to the substitution and the distortion of our Saviour’s Name. The first was the superstitious teaching of the Jews that the Father’s Name is not to be uttered and that the Name must be “disguised” outside of the temple of Jerusalem. The second factor was the strong anti-Judaism feeling that prevailed amongst the Gentiles. They wanted a saviour, but not a Jewish one.

According to Wörterbuch der Antike, the substitute name can be traced back to the Latin Iesus and the Greek Iesous. Then, it can be traced back to an adaptation of the name of the Greek healing goddess Ieso. The Greek-English Lexicon of Liddell and Scott, confirm this. To Greeks who venerated a healing goddess Ieso, a saviour Iesous must have been most acceptable, suggests a writer in Philologische Wochenschrift. In spite of attempts to justify the “translating” of the Father’s Name and His Son’s Name, it cannot be done. A person’s name remains the same in all languages.

The father of the Greek goddess Ieso was Asclepius, the deity of healing. The father of Asclepius was Apollo, the great sun-deity. Thus, the name Iesous can be traced back to sun-worship. There is also a relationship to the Egyptian goddess Isis and her son Isu. According to Reallexikon der Agpyptischen Religionsgeschichte, the name of Isis appears in hieroglyphic inscriptions as ESU or ES. Isu and Esu sound exactly like “Jesu” that the Saviour is called in the translated Scriptures of many languages.

Esus was a Gallic deity comparable to the Scandanavian Odin. The Greek abbreviation for Iesous is IHS, which is found on many inscriptions made by the Church during the middle Ages. IHS was the mystery name of Bacchus (Tammuz), another sun-deity. These are a few examples only.

angelfire.com/hi2/YAHWEHFrank/BaalGad.html