Justice, Charity, Truth and Sleep Walking

[djmason]

The one thing that seems clear to me in the Gospels was the Lords Intolerance and contempt toward those who were supposedly his representatives, those being the religious orders of the time. How spiritual fidelity to the Truth, Justice and Charity had been abandoned. They we’re distorting law in order to oppress, when in fact the law was meant to liberate.
Truth is Truth, Justice is Justice, and Love is Love. These virtues are to be uncompromising and have complete substance in the first two commandments.

It’s the truth that some corporations need to hurt children in order to grow and stay in business. It’s the truth that some corporations have an exploitive and damaging agenda against the common good. It’s the truth that many religious leaders have never confronted our government and certain industries regarding their abuse of power.
We really don’t have a lot of non toxic poor people, what we do have, are a lot of addicts who cannot stop addiction, poor because they can’t afford it, Sick because addiction causes diseases and quite possibly irreversible genetic damage. (Healthy people are succumbing to Cancers) , and oppression, because it’s hurting society economically, spiritually and physically and then there’s criminal behavior. How many murders have been done under the influence? Is there a deal between corporations and main stream religions? Who made the deal?
Is it our duty as Catholics to just offer a meal and say God Bless, and get involved with Pro Life movements that are being manipulated by big business who need the voting demographics because they want less restriction?
I read some opinions where there are those who feel that the church should only engage these issues in prayer and meditation. What about the Good Samaritan parable which is a command to act, not walk by. One writer of this site mentioned that we are powerless; my opinion is that we have been trained to believe we are powerless. Watching TV for a lifetime has quite possibly contributed to a flaw in perception regarding faith and belief. Think about it: Are we actually seeing the world the way it is, or the way we’ve been taught. What does demonic control of a world look like?
Nothing looks more sincere than a sharp dressed man or woman reading a teleprompter bombarding the viewer with negative statistics day after day. Or phony televangelist who are broadcasting a cash for Gods favor Ponzi scheme in order to enrich themselves… Where is Truth and Justice in all of this? Well according to our Lord, he left it with us the Salt of the Earth
God Bless
Your opinions are welcome

 

[Auntie_A]

Many of your observations and arguments are right on. But be careful of questioning the truth of something because that belief or movement has been espoused or derailed by some political opportunist. History is full of despots and greedy ones who use truth, weaknesses, strengths, prejudices, and/or human pride to promote or latch on their agendas. That does not change the truth.

The pro-life movement is basically a movement with a good moral truth. There have been detractors from within as well as outside the movement but the message of respecting life is a solid truth. I was at the recent Walk for Life and did not see the political posturing that you speak of. I heard scientific, social, human, and religious arguments for protecting the lives of the unborn and of the other voiceless.

The only political references I heard were from a black Baptist minister who was criticizing Obamacare for its inhumaneness. He did not sound clever and full of political agenda; he sounded solemn and disappointed in the President. He also stated the unavoidable truth that abortion has impacted the Black and Hispanic populations.

Earlier someone mentioned how abortion is impacting females across the world in that more people are using abortion for gender selection, females being aborted indiscriminately.

I totally hear and understand what you are saying about how the poor are being used and abused, poisoned and neglected. PLease don’t lose the facts that Margaret Sanger was a eugenicist who wanted to eliminate the undesirable poor through abortion rather than through uplifting and generosity. She was very different from other early feminists and suffragists who were very pro-life. How did we get derailed by Sanger’s sick promotions?

I know many Catholics, clergy and lay people who have fought and are fighting for the poor on the very issues you have addressed. I know that a parish can look very mainstream but trust me, there are many who are on the front lines helping those that have been squashed by bad public policy, addictions, and oppression.

 

[djmason]

Its one thing to address an issue but it’s another to comprehend and act on all the attributes connected to the issue. I remembered getting cornered by follow parishioners upset that I did not seem to support elections topics as conveyed by EWTN. I am a pro life Catholic, but doing some investigating found that 87 % of US privet health care insurers provided abortion services. But if you were listing to EWTN it was if the only providers of abortion were Planned Parenthood. Pending the election EWTNs mandate was to demonize the opposition. If there was real concern for Abortion from EWTN, would not the privet health care industry be implicated?
I believe that the Pro Life Movement is being manipulated to foster a political demographic. I just gave a good example regarding EWTN. If one really wanted to address Abortion, one would need to address what cultivates the environment which contributes to this tragedy. Economics: Oppressive poverty and addiction are the main contributing factors leading to abortion. Here is a simple example:
Smoking addition is 4 to $ 500.00 a month: This is a licence business that’s main objective is to create smoking addicts who upon being addicted will need to pay this monthly rate. This is a big chunk of house hold revenue. Regardless of all the other negative issues that come with being addicted, economically it’s contributing to the poverty which contributes to abortion. This is the truth. Poor people who are deprived and oppressed will gravitate to vice. It doesn’t’ cost anything to have sex and many plagued with shame and humiliation will do anything to escape the misery or their misfortune. Anybody living in a city will see these same people day after day picking buts off the street on crack or alcohol and pandering for money.
Bring back the cost of smoking addiction to a one dollar a day habit then maybe the house will still stink and everyone will get ill eventually, but economically the extra money would be diverted to creating new businesses, fostering the ability to have homes, children, and for many, a possible shot at education. This is the truth. But this truth is excluded from the Prolife Platform. Corporations do have a serious Impact on abortion but they are protected by the religions they offend.
Some corporations view the individual like KFC views the chicken. Keep them in a cage, fill them up with all the chemicals needed to make them fat and hand them over to the devil to be devoured. 70.000,000 Catholics have been trained to think their whole agenda regarding the sanity of protecting life, is encompassed by Contraception, Abortion and Same Sex Marriage. Gay people are not contributing to abortion are they? So to be idealistic, why not have 70,000,000 million Catholics, appeal for a price change in a pack of cigarettes? In order to take away the financial oppression on that woman who is addicted and can’t afford to have a child and sees no other recourse because she was denied the contraception.
I am bringing these issues into the discussion because they are real issues that have an impact on abortion and the arguments connected to it. Cause and effect needs to be specific not generalized, Generalizing leads to polarizing naivety. My point of view is to at least pretend that we really want to end abortion.
God Bless

 

[djmason]

I wanted to add one more thing.
Because this is a thread on Justice and that we all consider Abortion as murder. Do we?
What murder trial have you ever witnessed, where all the evidence and contributing facts relating to the murder were not considered in arriving to a verdict?
It’s not a moral issue, it’s a justice issue.