Karl Keating and the KJV

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I have been contemplating putting together an ‘apologetics’ Bible complete with tabs, highlights, cross references-the works. My Ignatius RSV is almost too small to read. My NAB has giant print but the notes and translation are not the best. My Douay from Baronius Press is great and is my first choice. Comments please!

I heard that Karl Keating used a KJV years ago in some of his work. It makes sense to me. Is there any reason I shouldn’t just take a giant print KJV add highlights, cross references, tabs etc? Comments please!

Karl-is it true you used a KJV? Would you be willing to share some insights with us?

Comments welcome from everyone.

Louis
 
I wrote the original post.

Would anyone be willing to share how they went about setting up their ‘apologetics’ Bible?

Louis
 
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BigLouis400:
I wrote the original post.

Would anyone be willing to share how they went about setting up their ‘apologetics’ Bible?

Louis
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The Revised Version of 1881 has dozens of references on every page - as do many AV/KJVs.​

Hope that helps.

Some of the best translation work is found in commentaries, in discussions of the text. ##
 
Does your KJV have the deuterocanonicals in it? Most don’t. That could be a flaw.

The NASB Reference Bible (not Catholic) has the largest set of cross-references in it that I know of.

You can get computer bibles that let you add your own footnotes to every verse of the bible. That way you could make you own set of references that were the most helpful to you.

I don’t have an “apologetics” bible, but when needing to look stuff up on the fly, I find it best to have one of those “study” bible kinds that have headings in front of every parable, story, section, etc. The NAB versions all do that. So you only have to get close to right and you can find your verse.
 
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BigLouis400:
My Douay from Baronius Press is great and is my first choice. Comments please!

I heard that Karl Keating used a KJV years ago in some of his work. It makes sense to me. Is there any reason I shouldn’t just take a giant print KJV add highlights, cross references, tabs etc? Comments please!

Karl-is it true you used a KJV? Would you be willing to share some insights with us?

Comments welcome from everyone.

Louis
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I would like to know where you got that great DRV you have… I love that translation! Most Protestants can’t tell Douay-Rheims from King James any more than they can tell NAB from their NIV.:whistle:

BTW…I suggest that if you choose to get a KJV, that you get a real 1611 edition that has all 73 books in it, since it is available. I’ve seen one…not bad. Most Protestants don’t even know that their beloved KJV originally had all the books in it. All I can tell 'em is… 😛
 
I just use the Catholic Study Bible. It’s huge, but I don’t take it everywhere I go. If I know I’m going somewhere where a little apologetics work might be necessary, I keep it in my briefcase.

I’ve used several colored markers, book tabs, sticky notes and these cool little Church Father flash cards that mark pages with good Catholic apologetics on them.
 
There is nothing wrong with the KJV as far as I can see, yes, most available do not include the Deutero-Canonical books but also the KJV as available is more orthodox than most “Catholic” Bibles on the market in its faithfulness to the original languages. As far as I know there are three editions of the KJV available that include the “Apocrypha” or Deutero-Canonical books. Cambridge University Press has one, but like all Cambridge bibles it is not cheap but it is the best quality money can buy, it will last for years of use. They also publish a paperback KJV that has all the books but it is a paperback. Nelson Bible Publishers and Hendrickson Press publish a hardcover KJV that includes all 73 books but the typeface is that of the 17th and 18th Century which may take some getting used to. For me any of these would be suitable for a Catholic to use as an everyday bible. The KJV is a better translation than the liberal heterodox bibles available for Catholics such as the NAB, New Jerusalem Bible, Jerusalem Bible 1966, and the RSV-CE. When I belonged to Evangelical Protestant Churches the RSV was a joke, we used to call it the “Liberal Standard Version”. It is strange that this liberal piece of trash is the Bible of choice among many conservative Catholics. To me the only good Catholic Bible is the Douai-Rheims, if you must use a “Catholic” Bible then this is the only choice that is fully orthodox. If you want to use something more modern then the New King James Version is probably the best choice. Even though it does not include the Deutero-Canonical books it is far more orthodox than the modern Catholic Bibles available. If you must have the Deutero-Canonical books you can always get a separate copy of them, Cambridge and Oxford University Press publish editions of the Apocrypha/Deutero-Canonical books in a separate volume. In Christ, jurist12
 
Thanks Church Militant!

Do a Google search for Baronius Press. Their website has some accurate pictures of this fine Bible.

Louis
 
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Does your KJV have the deuterocanonicals in it? Most don’t. That could be a flaw.

The NASB Reference Bible (not Catholic) has the largest set of cross-references in it that I know of.

You can get computer bibles that let you add your own footnotes to every verse of the bible. That way you could make you own set of references that were the most helpful to you.

I don’t have an “apologetics” bible, but when needing to look stuff up on the fly, I find it best to have one of those “study” bible kinds that have headings in front of every parable, story, section, etc. The NAB versions all do that. So you only have to get close to right and you can find your verse.
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The Revised Version and the AV (a.k.a. KJV) are both available with “the books called Apocrypha”, with many notes. Those in the NAB are very few in comparison. Catholic Bibles never have notes; so it hardly ever possible to see how verses and words and themes are connected through out the Bible.​

When one has a Bible with several notes to each verse, almost, seeing the connections is much easier. These Protestant Bibles make that possible ##
 
Church Militant:
BTW…I suggest that if you choose to get a KJV, that you get a real 1611 edition that has all 73 books in it, since it is available. I’ve seen one…not bad. Most Protestants don’t even know that their beloved KJV originally had all the books in it. All I can tell 'em is… 😛
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How can I get my hands on one of the 1611 KJV’s? I’d love to add one to my library.

God Bless…
 
It is hard to find a KJV Bible over here that still has the “apocrypha” in it. Over in England almost all KJV Bibles are printed with the “apocrypha” Anyways, I bought this book from Barnes and Nobles that contains all the Deuterocanonicals of the KJV along with the true apocryphal books of 1 and 2 Esdras and the Prayer of Manessah.

search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=0Y36gKRAIG&isbn=0521506743&itm=3

It was only $9.99, it cost a lot less then trying to import an “Authorized Bible” from England.
 
When talking to protestants I use an AKJV which I have highlighted and added notes to etc. They are surprised to find that their edited and abridged KJV is incomplete proving that protestant scholars took out numerous books and verses. Beware, the AKJV is not written in English! It is written in Old English, a dead language. You will need to learn what words mean like ‘suffer’, etc… before you can read and interpret it. If you read it without knowing what words mean like ‘stone’ then you will simply miss-self-interpret it like the rest of them.

To study the Bible on my own I use an NAB, DR, RSV-CE, NIV, KJV, etc… Each version has advantages and drawbacks. Yes I like protestant versions too - for contrast or wording styles if nothing else.

Protestants put more authority in their versions even if they are so varied in writting. Use Catholic approved Bibles to learn the correct and true theology then learn the AKJV and KJV to discuss protestant opinions of theology.

Go to Amazon.com or Bibles.com or similar sites to get an AKJV.

You can also get free bibles online from the Mormon church and others. Just search for ‘free bible’ and see the results. All these free bibles will also add to your library and be of benifit to you too. My Mormon KJV is dedicated to talking to Mormons while my AKJV is mostly for other protestants. I would like to get a JW version but I refuse to pay for one written so poorly and they just won’t come by my door when I’m home!😦
 
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