Katherine of Aragon, a deeply spiritual woman

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Hi Seattle Catholic, it looks like we’re in the same general vicinity of the Pacific Northwest. What do you think of the idea that Mary Boleyn had two of Henry’s children? According to what I read online, in actuality only her son was, perhaps, Henry’s son. I read that Mary Boleyn is an ancestor of both Princess Di and Winston Churchill.

I agree with you, the one fatal flaw that Katherine perhaps possessed was the inability to let go of her position of being the Queen of England, and all it entailed.
Hello WenckebachCath! Always nice to “meet” someone from my corner of the world. 😃

I don’t know much about Mary Boleyn. From what I have ready, she seems to have been a lusty girl. Also, with Henry’s ever changing passions, I would wonder that he would be interested in Mary long enough to father two children with her.

Her being the ancestor of Di and Churchill is an intersting tidbit. I had never heard that. I am constantly amazed at how many royal mistresses have contributed to the current royal bloodline.
 
Yes, I have no love for Henry VIII. I do feel a bit of sympathy for Anne. We have to remember that she was in love with someone else (I forgot his name - will have to look it up) and wanted to marry him. Henry and Wolsey put an end to her matrimonial plans. Henry wanted her to be his mistress, practically forcing dishonor upon her. To reject him would be to ruin the future fortunes of her family. Her options were limited, and non of them were desirable.
That would be Henry Percy that she was in love with
 
Henry Percy, Lord of Northumberland, was a peer of the realm and was actually forced to attend Anne’s trial. (He died a few months later. His forced marriage to Mary Talbot was a nightmare for both of them by all accounts.)

And in a final twist, just before Anne’s execution, Anne was forced to sign papers that acknowledged her marriage to Henry invalid, based on–(you’ll love this)–the fact that she had a ‘precontract with Henry Percy’. This, of course, had been denied by Henry and Anne, because a precontract would have been an impediment to their marriage (although Henry Percy, in his interview with Cardinal Wolsey when he was told to give up Anne and marry Mary Talbot, had tried to plead that they did have a precontract. Of course this was denied by Wolsey and H.Ps father at the time.

And, of course, if Anne had indeed had a precontract, her marriage to Henry was invalid, she was not the queen and never had been, and as such would not have been guilty of treason against the king by adultery, since she would technically not have been his spouse. Some authorities think this may have been the reason Anne signed the document, thinking that this would have freed her, possibly to live in France, or at least saved her life. It did not. Henry’s wrath, once aroused, was not so easily assuaged.
 
I also thought The Other Boleyn Girl was great! You might want to check out The Autobiography of Henry VIII by Margaret George. It’s long but SOOO interesting, it tells the whole story from Henry’s (rather twisted) POV and I couldn’t put it down.

cecilia
 
I also thought The Other Boleyn Girl was great! You might want to check out The Autobiography of Henry VIII by Margaret George. It’s long but SOOO interesting, it tells the whole story from Henry’s (rather twisted) POV and I couldn’t put it down.

cecilia
Thanks for the tip. First I need to explore some of Phillipa Gregory’s other works. She has written several books that sound very good.

Another author I like, who writes similar historical fiction, is Tracy Chevalier. She wrote Girl with Pearl Earring that was based on her creative ideas surrounding a famous painting by a Dutch Catholic painter Vermeer. I also read The Lady and the Unicorn that was also based on a work of art, a famous tapastry. These are facinating settings, and she makes the characters seem very real.
 
Thanks for the tip. First I need to explore some of Phillipa Gregory’s other works. She has written several books that sound very good.

Another author I like, who writes similar historical fiction, is Tracy Chevalier. She wrote Girl with Pearl Earring that was based on her creative ideas surrounding a famous painting by a Dutch Catholic painter Vermeer. I also read The Lady and the Unicorn that was also based on a work of art, a famous tapastry. These are facinating settings, and she makes the characters seem very real.
Ha!, that’s great I’m reading Lady and the Unicorn right now and I enjoyed Pearl Earring as well! I could not get into any other of Phillipa Gregory’s books, I’m not sure why.
 
I also thought The Other Boleyn Girl was great! You might want to check out The Autobiography of Henry VIII by Margaret George. It’s long but SOOO interesting, it tells the whole story from Henry’s (rather twisted) POV and I couldn’t put it down.

cecilia
I am also a fan of Margaret George’s book on Henry VIII. I think that Wil’s take on Henry is interesting.
 
Thanks for the tip. First I need to explore some of Phillipa Gregory’s other works. She has written several books that sound very good.

Another author I like, who writes similar historical fiction, is Tracy Chevalier. She wrote Girl with Pearl Earring that was based on her creative ideas surrounding a famous painting by a Dutch Catholic painter Vermeer. I also read The Lady and the Unicorn that was also based on a work of art, a famous tapastry. These are facinating settings, and she makes the characters seem very real.
I love Tracy Chevalier! I’ve read several of her books. I wonder if she’s coming out with anything new soon? I check Barnes & Noble frequently but it seems as thought ‘The Lady and the Unicorn’ is still her latest novel at the moment.
 
This thread has turned into an excellent discussion of historical novels, and if we keep it alive, be might be able to turn one another on to books in the similar genre. Yes, I need to read more of Tracy Chavelier. I just start a book. titled. In the Company of the Courtesan. It is set in Rome in 1527, and Rome is being sacked by the German Lutherens and the Spanish. It seems to be a page turner thus far. Has anyone read it. I think this is the time when the Spanish kidnapped pope Clement to use as a political pawn in their rivalry with Great Britain.

It is told from the viewpoint of a dwarf who is an attendant of a wealthy Roman courtesan, who mingled and benefited from her association with weathy and influential men for whom whe provided sexual services. She is a high class prostitute in other words. She has her own wealth and a great deal of autonomy for a woman in those days.
 
Katherine of Aragon was a great Christian lady. She rarely has been given the attention I feel she deserves…
I watched a documentary about her a few years ago, & one of the things they brought out, was that she never stopped writing to Henry, begging him to repent, & assuring him that he was always in her prayers…
And on the day she died, he & Anne Boleyn held a celebration!!! They were so pleased to be rid of her…I do think that Anne must have realized only too soon, that her position was a tenuous one, & I hope & pray that she came to a place of repentence for her sins before her execution…
 
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