Kent Hoven??

[snowman10]

Hey,

My roommate, who is a good Bible-Believing guy, and myself like to discuss the Bible, Catholicism, Protestantism, etc. He was talking to me about Kent Hoven. Can anyone tell me anything about him? I am hoping my roommate will join us here on the forums.

dxu

 

[trumpet152]

snowman10:

Hey,

My roommate, who is a good Bible-Believing guy, and myself like to discuss the Bible, Catholicism, Protestantism, etc. He was talking to me about Kent Hoven. Can anyone tell me anything about him? I am hoping my roommate will join us here on the forums.

dxu

Yes. He’s very annoying. Big time Creation Science. I’ve heard him speak; his proofs are horrid. He’s drives the scientific community nuts. I’ve heard (but cannot verify) that his degree came from a one room college. (In other words, it’s not even close to a real institution.)

 

[John_Paul_III]

He is known as Dr. Dino

Prior to my conversion I had the honor of listening to him preach and having a conversation with him.

You can google him Dr. Dino and go to his website, there are other websites that tell the other side, truth.

Baisically Dino believes that the earth is 6,000 plus years old because the bible in Genesis in Protestant terms says so. But I have a fossil in my backyard that would prove that wrong.

The funny things about these fundamentalist that take the bible literally when it comes to Jesus’ own words about the Eucharist they tend to disagree and ther faith lacks.

The devil works in mysterious ways!

 

[scylla]

I am reading a book by a priest friend of mine (I just made friend with him a couple months ago) He spent most his life writing this book which stressed a literal interpretation of Genesis, but more in how we stress the specifics and how it relates to the real message of Genesis.

He says that the message of Genesis is watered down if we look at it too symbolically, because then truths that are taught by Genesis are ignored and it just becomes a story.

My brother who is a type of fundamentalist stresses that thinking is not necessary for faith and this is commonly stressed in some of these type churches. Faith is important, but God did give us minds to use.
I have read a little on Kent Hoven.
Here is a link to his site and a link to a site which explains a little about him.

drdino.com/

talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/

I personally would shy away from Kent Hoven.

God Bless
Scylla

 

[Pjs2ejs]

Scientifically, Hovind says some interesting things about Creation. There are a lot of holes in Evolution that he brings to light. Having a master’s in math, I can attest to his calculation of human population. No matter how you add it up, it doesn’t make mathematical sense that the human population is any more than 6 to 10 thousand years.

Spiritually, he believes that Catholics are not Christian. I spoke to him one time personally and found that he has a view of the early church as something it was not. Most fundamentalists want to believe that the first Christians did not have Catholic beliefs. They rarely study the early Christians.

He makes for an interesting science lesson but an ill-informed spiritual leader.

 

[David_Zampino]

snowman10:

Hey,

My roommate, who is a good Bible-Believing guy, and myself like to discuss the Bible, Catholicism, Protestantism, etc. He was talking to me about Kent Hoven. Can anyone tell me anything about him? I am hoping my roommate will join us here on the forums.

dxu

Ken Hovind is a prominent, ultra-fundamentalist, literal “young-earth” creationist and independent Baptist pastor.

He is not “mainstream” even among young-earth creationists as his “science” is awful. Frankly, he seems to have a tendency toward dishonesty – when confronted with a blatant scientific error he may well make a correction – only to deliberately repeat the error at the next church or speaking engagement.

He also has had serious issues with his church. He is extremely anti anything that remotely smacks of “state coercian” to the extent that he very nearly lost his building, NOT over tax-exempt status (like some churches have) but rather over his refusal to apply for (and pay for) a $50 building permit, claiming it represented ungodly interference by the state.

He’s a bit of an extremist – even for his fellow co-religionists.

 

[David_Zampino]

trumpet152:

Yes. He’s very annoying. Big time Creation Science. I’ve heard him speak; his proofs are horrid. He’s drives the scientific community nuts. I’ve heard (but cannot verify) that his degree came from a one room college. (In other words, it’s not even close to a real institution.)

This is an article from a “creation vs evolution” site which attempts to represent a scientific “mainstream” position. Although I am hardly in full agreement, the site does attempt to be far less polemic than others I have encountered. This article details the fraudulent academic credentials of several “young earth creationists” including
Hovind.

talkorigins.org/faqs/credentials.html

 

[Church_Militant]

Well gee, just look at the stuff he considers good evangelism tools. I live near Pensacola and so am well familiar with Kent Hovind. I consider him anti-Catholic and less than knowlegeable about the faith.

In searching his site I find very little that actually talks about the Catholic faith, though I know for a fact that he does because I watched one of his videos a couple of years ago and was distressed that he attacked the Catholic faith in the first 5 minutes, quoting the Catechism and alleging that we believe (like the Mormons he said) that we “become god”.

The video offered a quote on screen and reference, so I paused the tape and grabbed up my copy of the CCC to have a look at the context, which, as I suspected was pulled out of context to make it appear that we teach something that in fact we do not. In looking closer at the onscreen reference I began to laugh when I noted that he was citing a Jack Chick publication as his source, which tells me that “Dr, Dino” didn’t do his own research but just blindly accepted what he’d read in one of Chick’s anti-Catholic tracts.

That soured me on “Dr. Dino” from then on.This site gets into someof the cultish nature of his teachings and the fact that he’s got legal problems with the fedreral gov’t as well as the state of Florida for not paying his taxes.

IRS Raids Business, Home of Creationist

by Brett Norman

Internal Revenue Service agents are investigating a Pensacola man who operates a creationist theme park and museum off Old Palafox Road and who they say is evading taxes on more than $1 million in income.

This week, federal IRS agents raided the home and businesses of Kent Hovind, 51, in the first block of Cummings Road, confiscating all computer and paper records of financial activity since January 1997.

The creation-science evangelist argues against evolution around the world. He also sells literature and videos supporting his views and charges admission to his Pensacola theme park and museum through a number of entities.

But in a sworn statement made to obtain the search warrant served Wednesday, IRS agent Scott Schneider said none of Hovind’s enterprises has a business license in Escambia County or has tax-exempt status as a nonprofit enterprise.

“Since 1997, Hovind has engaged in financial transactions indicating sources of income and has made deposits to bank accounts well in excess of $1 million per year during some of these years, which would require the filing of federal income taxes,” wrote Schneider.

The statement is based on financial records plucked from Hovind’s garbage from July 2002 through March 2004, statements from a former employee, Internet research and public records.

Hovind, who has not been charged, suspects he is being targeted because of his religious beliefs. He adamantly denies wrongdoing.

He questioned the timing of the search—one day before federal income tax returns were due.

“They’ve got to flex their muscle this time of year,” he said. “I guess they chose me. It will be somebody else next year.”

He referred questions about business practices to Glen Stoll, director of Remedies at Law, a firm based in Edmonds, Wash., that represents him.

“This is based on misperceptions,” Stoll said. “They don’t understand how the church is created and registered, how it operates under church law, which is entirely separate from secular authorities.”

Friday afternoon, Stoll sent a letter to Schneider, demanding the return of the property. Attached to the letter was documentation that Hovind’s operations — including Dino Adventure Land, Faith Baptist Church, Creation Science Evangelism and CSE Enterprises—operate under an umbrella organization recognized by the State of Washington.

Alycyn Culbertson, special agent and spokeswoman for the IRS, said Friday she had not received the letter and could not respond to it. She denied that the timing of the search was relevant.

“I assure you that we don’t go to inordinate lengths to make sure something happens around April 15,” she said. “But if the investigation is at that point around that time, we don’t hold it up either.”

Hovind has a May 18 court date to face three misdemeanor charges arising from his refusal to obtain a permit to construct a metal building on his property. Hovind said the building meets or exceeds building codes, and he objects to the permitting process as an undue expense on the church.

Skeptic.com
Pax vobiscum,

 

[rossum]

Pjs2ejs:

Scientifically, Hovind says some interesting things about Creation. There are a lot of holes in Evolution that he brings to light. Having a master’s in math, I can attest to his calculation of human population. No matter how you add it up, it doesn’t make mathematical sense that the human population is any more than 6 to 10 thousand years.

The maths may be correct, but the assumptions aren’t. There is a commentary on a lot of Hovind’s claims here (scroll down to #25). The basic problem is the assumption of a constant rate of growth:“Yes, given unlimited living space, an inexhaustible supply of food, a good deal of luck in the early stages, and a high motivation to travel while having more kids than is practical, eight people could probably populate the earth in a few thousand years. Eight germs could do it in less than a week. Eight bunny rabbits would fall somewhere in between. Eight cats would give us yet another figure. What do any of these figures have to do with the age of the earth? Nothing! What do these figures have to do with actual growth rates? Absolutely nothing!”

Extrapolating a constant growth rate back from the current population gives absurd answers:“At the time the Israelites entered Canaan, for instance, we get a world population of 2024! By the time you divide that up between Egypt, Canaan, the rest of the world, and Israel, that leaves maybe 6 or 7 people for the Israeli army! If we go back to the time that the Hykos[sic] were expelled from Egypt, in 1560 BC, we get a world population of 325 people!”

Even Answers in Genesis are doubtful about Hovind’s science. See Maintaining Creationist Integrity.

Pjs2ejs:

He makes for an interesting science lesson but an ill-informed spiritual leader.

I hope his theology is better than his science, because his science is truly awful.

rossum

 

[onedaysoon]

Hi, with reference to things said by others…(i.e. Hoven)…The scriptures should and will ultimately be the final test. Denominations are mans work…they…like man…have bits and pieces of ‘TRUTH’ but if compared to the eternal word of God…fail miserably. Also,men who follow tradition at the expense of ‘truth’ have ‘put’ themselves in the place of god with their exhalted ideas and have in general ‘departed’ from what the Lord wants of his children. The scriptures say that by ‘your traditions’…you have made the ‘word of God’ of ‘NO’ effect…Mark 7:9; 7:13;Col 2:8…EXCEPT that the ‘tradition’ be as the scripture teaches 2 Thes 2:15; 3:6. We (i.e. the child of God)…in particular those who have HIS spirit…are COMMANDED to ‘rightly’ divide (i.e. discern) the WORD of TRUTH…2 Tim 2:15.
One thing in particular earmarks the ‘church(s)’ of the last days (i.e the present day) and that is/will be a ‘DEPARTURE’ from ‘the TRUTH’…an apostacy! It seems to me that man (albeit Hoven or the pope) as well as most others…have ‘all’ either added ‘to’ or ‘taken’ away from the unchangeable,eternal word of God. I have only been in this discipline for 27 years but it is painfully clear to me that there are MANY ‘false christs’ just as JESUS said there would be…and that we ( Gods sheep) are to test what we hear.God ‘hates’ mixture…but that is what i see today…mans word mixed with Gods word…which can NEVER work. There is a lot of ‘hay’,‘wood’ and ‘stubble’ everywhere! Why is it that Gods word is ‘not’ in the heart or on the lips of many? The scriptures say that if we speak…we should always speak what God speaks…Isa 8:6…God is looking for ‘Truth’…3 John 1:4.
To the degree that Hoven or the pope speak truth…rejoice…but to everything else…tremble…only the WORD of God is forever.
The pope believes in ‘Aliens’ and ‘Theistic Evolution’…why???

 

[survive]

I hope his theology is better than his science, because his science is truly awful.

rossum

Sorry. Hovind (if you want to search for the name, it’s Hovind) is a Chick follower. The thing about these little circles of people who think alike is they tend to cite one another. :juggle:Thus, they end up citing themselves, and trying to make it look as if they have actual references.
On this subject there is a movie called “God’s Cartoonist” with interviews of Hovind and other really unique authors and professional speakers, such as the one who was dropped from Chick Publishing Company, apparently for being too controversial (really) – Rebecca Brown. I want to see it. The trailer is available on the Monsterwax fansite.

 

[WindGirl]

Hey,

My roommate, who is a good Bible-Believing guy, and myself like to discuss the Bible, Catholicism, Protestantism, etc. He was talking to me about Kent Hoven. Can anyone tell me anything about him? I am hoping my roommate will join us here on the forums.

dxu

Kent Hovind is/was a creation science evangelist. He uses the truth of God’s creation to evangelize. Unfortunately, last I heard he is doing prison time for not paying taxes. He didn’t feel he had to, evidently since he has a ministry. I really don’t know a whole lot about it. I know I enjoyed watching his debates and other tapes.

 

[Sideline]

Having a master’s in math, I can attest to his calculation of human population. No matter how you add it up, it doesn’t make mathematical sense that the human population is any more than 6 to 10 thousand years.

Don’t supposed you would care to give us a run down of the numbers that tells you that the entire credible scientific community is wrong.

 

[The_Barbarian]

Having a master’s in math, I can attest to his calculation of human population. No matter how you add it up, it doesn’t make mathematical sense that the human population is any more than 6 to 10 thousand years.

The same mathematical argument says that fruit flies were created 15 months ago.

If that doesn’t tip you off as to what’s wrong with the idea, I’ll explain in detail.

Do I need to?