King Aurthur and the Catholic Church

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Did anyone see this movie yet? Why does hollywood alway make the Catholic Church the bad guys? They always portray the bishops as pompus and arrogant as well as murderers.
 
Does it surprise you? AS Jesus said, “No slave is above his master. If the world hates me, how much more will it hate you.” Can you think of a more secular place in the world that Hollywood?
 
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Does it surprise you? AS Jesus said, “No slave is above his master. If the world hates me, how much more will it hate you.” Can you think of a more secular place in the world that Hollywood?
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That is true. I wish there was a website or something that Have movies in which the Catholic Church is portrayed and show who they are wrong. For example, in this movie they say that Pelagius was murdered. Historically he died of the plague right? Anyway there could be many corrections made to the portrayal of the Church in theese films. Don’t you think that many people buy the lies that are set forth in hollywood?
 
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CatholicBerean:
Why does hollywood alway make the Catholic Church the bad guys? They always portray the bishops as pompus and arrogant as well as murderers.
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Although I agree Hollywood does present the Catholic Church in a negative way, during the timeframe this story was placed, even us traditional Catholics must admit, the Church was a mess. Let’s not say they were saints. Sad but true. Now compared to the rest of society they were no “worse” but that’s a sad comparison isn’t it? Their (Hollywood) goal is to make money. Slamming the Church makes money. There is an awful lot of hatred out there against the Church, Satan sees to that.
 
I’d like to think that people aren’t as gullible as Hollywood seems to believe, but I fear that there are some uneducated or weak-minded people that will believe anything that’s on a movie screen or TV.

I studied the Arthurian legends extensively in college (I was a literature major), and if I recall correctly, in all of the important versions there are no clergy mentioned at all. Hollywood isn’t exactly renowned for literary or historical accuracy. While I have neither seen the movie nor intend to see it, it wouldn’t surprise me that it portrays clergy as villains because that is unfortunately the trend of the moment.
 
It doesn’t surprise me, but what’s sad to think is the number of people that will see the movie and view it as history, or at least based on history. Just look at how people have reacted to Michael Moore’s movie, thinking it is truly a documentary, rather than the “crock-umentary” I heard someone call it. The man is an entertainer trying to make a buck, not an historian. By telling half-truths and editing out what isn’t sensational enough to shock people, he’s only trying to get people into the theaters. Regardless of what you think about the current adminstration, getting your point across by misleading people is dangerous. Look at how Hitler was able to dupe a whole nation with his lies and propaganda. Now, I’m certainly not saying Moore is anywhere near as maniacal and sick as Hitler was. I’m only making the point of how easy it is to whip a disenchanted crowd into a frenzy. Tell 'em what they want to hear, instead of telling them the whole story, and they’ll love ya. And they’ll pay you $10 a pop to prove it.

But I s’pose this diatribe belongs in the political section, huh?
 
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Tom:
Although I agree Hollywood does present the Catholic Church in a negative way, during the timeframe this story was placed, even us traditional Catholics must admit, the Church was a mess. Let’s not say they were saints.
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Excuse me? That was the time of men such as Augustine and Ambrose.
 
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Maurelian:
It doesn’t surprise me, but what’s sad to think is the number of people that will see the movie and view it as history, or at least based on history. Just look at how people have reacted to Michael Moore’s movie, thinking it is truly a documentary, rather than the “crock-umentary” I heard someone call it. The man is an entertainer trying to make a buck, not an historian. By telling half-truths and editing out what isn’t sensational enough to shock people, he’s only trying to get people into the theaters. Regardless of what you think about the current adminstration, getting your point across by misleading people is dangerous. Look at how Hitler was able to dupe a whole nation with his lies and propaganda. Now, I’m certainly not saying Moore is anywhere near as maniacal and sick as Hitler was. I’m only making the point of how easy it is to whip a disenchanted crowd into a frenzy. Tell 'em what they want to hear, instead of telling them the whole story, and they’ll love ya. And they’ll pay you $10 a pop to prove it.

But I s’pose this diatribe belongs in the political section, huh?
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At least Hitler’s intentions were clear. Michael Moore tries to sell himself as a public benefactor, raking in MILLIONS of dollars by selling lies, deceptions, and propaganda. I tell you this, Michael Moore is the LAST person on the planet I would want to be stuck in a fighting trench with. The man is a coward.
 
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Apologia100:
I tell you this, Michael Moore is the LAST person on the planet I would want to be stuck in a fighting trench with. The man is a coward.
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The Canadian Government is trying to charge Michael Moore for saying slanders stuff against Steven Harper (Leader of the Conservative Party) While he was in Canada he slandered the leader - which ordinarily this would mean nothing but he did it during an election and he is not a Canadian - apparently this is against Canadian Law.

He could receive up to 5 months in jail and a fine of 2,000. (We Canadians are a harsh lot :rolleyes:) Personally I’d like to see him put down even if it is as minor as this.
 
Kotton, I’m sorry but you are incorrect.
The HISTORICAL Arthur lived in 4th to 5th century A.D. Britain, when Romanized Britain was crumbling due to the collapse of the Roman Empire.

Now, the LEGENDARY Arthur (the one of Mallory’s “Morte D’Arthur”) is the one you’re thinking of, with chivalry and the early Middle Ages trappings. Mallory was writing during the Middle Ages and using sources from even earlier times, and representing his “heroic” Arthur as a contemporary figure. He was not “reporting” on Arthur as you or I might report on Mother Teresa, since you and I were actually alive when Mother Teresa was alive. Mallory was certainly NOT alive when Arthur was.

To give another example, “Robin Hood” in the legends is presented as living during the time of Coeur De Lion (Richard the Lionhearted) who was king of England from 1189-1199. The actual person who inspired the Robin Hood legends lived about 200 years later. Earlier legends of “outlaw” figures were also used when the “Robin Hood” legends were made.
 
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Kotton:
Your history is off, as King Arthur was the time of Knights in the Middle Ages. Just a few hundred years different.
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Well, technically he was mythical. I think people tend to believe his historical origins are sometime around the 600s or 700s, though.
 
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Kotton:
Your history is off, as King Arthur was the time of Knights in the Middle Ages. Just a few hundred years different. :rolleyes:

Kotton 🙂
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No YOUR History is off. The time of the Arthur Legend is the end of Roman Britain. No dates are given. It was sometime between when Maximus took his Legions out Britian and marched on Rome (383) and when Theodoric the Amal becomes King of the Ostrogoths (476). Sometime in that period were born three brothers. Constans, Aurelius Ambrosius (Merlins father) and Uther Pendragon (Arthurs Father.) They were Romans and related to Maximus.

Middle Ages HA HA. Thats HOLLYWODD Buddy. Dressing Arthur up in 14th Century armor.
 
So what could be said that would be of positive nature of the Catholic Church as a whole during this time?
 
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