KJV only? Why?

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Some Protestants think that the King James Version of the Bible is the only valid English translation, and that all other translations are corrupt. I didn’t know that this was even true until just recently, when I saw a bunch of KJV-only Protestants, particularly Baptists, commenting on YouTube. What makes them think that the KJV is the only valid English translation of the Bible? That sounds completely ridiculous and laughable to me, especially when people in the 21st century have trouble reading it because of all of the thous, thees, etc. To add to that is the fact that there are obvious errors in the KJV.
 
And don’t forget to add in there that king Jimmy was slightly gay. That’s plenty of reason for me not to read it.
 
They don’t all prefer the KJV for the same reasons. Some merely believe it to be a superior translation by virtue of the Greek/Hebrew text used or the choice of English words. Others believe it to be an inspired translation.

I think the KJV is beautiful thanks to Tyndale’s influence. But yes, sodomites, blasphemers and Arians all had a hand in the book so it certainly a work of men.
 
Arians all had a hand in the book so it certainly a work of men.

**I was not aware that the Church of England (in either the Presbyterian or Episcopal wing) in the 17th century tolerated Arianism.

Who were some of these Arians involved in the KJV?

But to answer the original question of this thread, I think that some traditionalist Protestants prefer the KJV (though they never say in which of its many recensions) for the same reason that their traditionalist Catholic counterparts prefer the Douay-Rheims: principally because it’s what they are used to.**
 
To prefer it is one thing, but “Onlyists” claim that the translation itself is inspired and free from error. To them, reading another translation is about as good as reading the Koran.

It is odd that it is Baptists who hold to this view–that means they are claiming the Anglicans were inspired when they did the translation (and of course, modern American Baptists descend from a plit with the Anglicans).
 
And don’t forget to add in there that king Jimmy was slightly gay. That’s plenty of reason for me not to read it.
The allegation that King James was homosexual is not an undisputed historical fact.

There are several reasons for the preferment of the KJV:
  1. It is based directly upon manuscripts derived from what is called the ‘Byzantine’ tradition–this would be the manuscript tradition favored by almost all early Church Fathers, and it is a manuscript tradition whose copyists, for the most part at least, were known to be particularly fastidious in checking their copies against known reliable sources. The Latin Vulgate is also derived from the Byzantine tradition, and the Douay-Rheims translation, being fundamentally a translation of the Vulgate (but ‘corrected’ in places by reference to manuscripts outside the Byzantine tradition), is indirectly part of the same tradition. The downside of manuscripts from the ‘Byzantine’ tradition is that none exist earlier than the 10th century. (Apologists for the KJV explain that this is because earlier manuscripts were used until they were completely worn out).
  2. The KJV preserves ‘reverential’ language, and uses terms of established theological import, helping to ensure that a proper respect for the Word of God and for it’s teachings is retained. The argument is that Scripture has always had a special ‘register’ or ‘sound’ to it that helps set it apart from everyday language. Even though the New Testament was originally in “Koine” Greek, so the argument goes, it was NOT the common Greek of the gutter and the marketplace. It was recognizable by the very way it sounded when read or spoken aloud as something different from the workaday use of language.
Protestants also like to point out that once a sect or denomination begins to use ‘contemporary language’ versions of Scripture it is usually less than a generation thereafter that their seminaries begin to employ ‘critical’ methods of Biblical exegesis. Within a generation of the introduction of critical Biblical exegesis, there begin to appear significant deviations in practice and theology–notable leaders of the sect or denomination begin denying the Deity of Christ, women begin to hold positions of authority traditionally reserved for men, moral standards become more lax. Generally, within a half generation of these developments the sect or denomination is ordaining women and homosexuals to the clergy, orthodoxy is optional on almost any element of teaching, etcetera.
  1. Many Evangelicals see the KJV as having served an especially blessed role in evangelizing people throughout the centuries.
Evangelicals who become Roman Catholics sometimes choose to be part of the Eastern Catholic churches or attend a Latin Rite Mass, for many of these same reasons.

Hope this helps.
 
To prefer it is one thing, but “Onlyists” claim that the translation itself is inspired and free from error. To them, reading another translation is about as good as reading the Koran.

It is odd that it is Baptists who hold to this view–that means they are claiming the Anglicans were inspired when they did the translation (and of course, modern American Baptists descend from a plit with the Anglicans).
It’s the “Onlyists” that I’m talking about. I can see why some would prefer the KJV over other translations, but to say that it is the only valid English translation just seems ridiculous to me. I, and several others, have tried to tell these people that if they want a perfect translation, that they should go back to the original Hebrew and Greek. However, they just come back claiming that there are no original Greek and Hebrew sources, and that the “original Greek and Hebrew” is not original, because they claim that it was corrupted by the church of Rome. If that’s the case, then how can the KJV be valid, since it was mostly translated from the same manuscripts as the Vulgate? Their reasoning sounds very circular to me.
 
It’s the “Onlyists” that I’m talking about. I can see why some would prefer the KJV over other translations, but to say that it is the only valid English translation just seems ridiculous to me. I, and several others, have tried to tell these people that if they want a perfect translation, that they should go back to the original Hebrew and Greek. However, they just come back claiming that there are no original Greek and Hebrew sources, and that the “original Greek and Hebrew” is not original, because they claim that it was corrupted by the church of Rome. If that’s the case, then how can the KJV be valid, since it was mostly translated from the same manuscripts as the Vulgate? Their reasoning sounds very circular to me.
Strict “Onlyists” are rare but those who are around are voluble. I doubt they insist that there are no Hebrew or Greek sources to draw from–they probably are saying that the original manuscripts are lost. That is, the manuscripts actually written by the hand of the apostles or prophets.

Most “Onlyists” trust only the sources known to have been used by the translators of the KJV, as I noted earlier. Usually they mistrust appeals to the “original Greek” or “original Hebrew” partly because they don’t know which sources are being cited; and, equally, because neither they nor you probably understand the original sources well enough to apprehend whatever nuances the original word or phrase contained.

They are extremely suspicious of translations based in whole or in part on sources such as the Hort-Wescott or Nestle/Aland texts. They often point to the fruits of the ‘new versions’–the Revised Version and the RSV became the standard translations of mainstream Protestant denominations and none of those denominations has remained true to their own denominational traditions in the last fifty years.

The ‘Onlyists’ concede that the KJV is not a ‘sufficient’ prerequisite for orthodox theology–the Christian Scientists and the Mormons use the KJV almost exclusively for example–but they consider it a ‘necessary’ prerequisite for any Protestant denomination to stay within the pale of orthodox teaching. It should be noted that KJV-Onlyists insist that the Bible is the absolute, exclusive authority for Christians, so the fact that Mormons, Christian Scientists, and most similar deviant sects have some authority outside of Scripture points to why they are so heterodox.

Accepting authority outside of Scripture, to the Onlyists, is the Original Sin of Roman Catholicism and is the way all heresies get their beginning. The ‘new translations’ are participating in that same error because instead of accepting the “Received Text” of the millenia, they substitute a revised text built up of the authority of scholars.

The ‘Onlyists’ ARE aware, for the most part, that the original KJV contained the Apocrypha (Deuterocanonicals), btw. They argue that it became a true force for God AFTER the Apocrypha were expunged–an example of how mingling Scripture with what Protestants insist is NOT Scripture can cause God to withhold His blessings from a work. They also acknowledge that the KJV experienced revisions–mostly, they would say, to bring the KJV up to modern conventions in spelling, nothing substantive or significant. (My father-in-law, a retired Baptist minister, is an ardent KJV-Onlyist–to be precise, he calls himself a ‘Textus Receptus Man’. The T-R is the actual manuscript basis behind the KJV).

My father-in-law would not object to a new, ultra-conservative translation based exclusively on the Byzantine text/Textus Receptus. He doubts it will ever be accomplished. The one serious attempt at such was the New King James Version, which is laden down with footnotes referencing modern redactions of the Greek text, and which abandoned the use of ‘pious pronouns’ when Deity is addressed. (Many Evangelicals, however, were critical of such usage, which is NOT justified by the original Greek text and which they felt made God seem too remote and distant for modern readers). So, you see that the whole debate is laden with minefields of internal wrangling and disagreements.

There’s a real problem going on here: while an orthodoxy which is made optional will eventually become prohibited (Neuhaus’ Law of Orthodoxy), yet an orthodoxy consumed more with itself than with Christ will eventually consume itself. There may not literally be 30,000 Protestant sects as some Catholics like to count them–but there are far far too many debating such issues as whether to wash one foot, both feet, or none; whether to have one cup and one loaf or multiple cups and multiple loaves for holy communion; or whether or not to have instrumental music during worship services.
 
I was discussing Biblical translations with my wife earlier and the topic of the KJV came up.

I think my comment was this. “Only two types of people use KJV only. Those who are so bound by tradition that they’ll never listen to anything else, and those who want to appear more educated or better than anyone who uses the other translations.”
 
One big KJV-Only (KJVO or KJO for short) name is Gail Riplinger. She’s fascinating. She’s sure her own writing is also inspired and thus started off writing as G.A. Riplinger, saying it stood for God And RIplinger, God being the Author of her work and she being the secretary. Therefore she refused to allow editors to correct her spelling and punctuation, which would have been tampering with the word of God as far as she was concerned. She was billing herself as a credentialed expert in the field of Biblical history but in fact her degree was in home ec. A lot of the KJO movement in the 1990s grew out of her research, which frequently confused people in history who had nothing in common but similar names, wildly cut and spliced quotes to change their meanings completely and had no backing at all for a number of linguistic claims.
 
A clarification of my above: The KJV-Only folks mistrust references to the original languages partially because they are not certain that the text being referred to is the Byzantine or Textus Receptus text. The Byzantine text is, as I have noted, widely attested to as being the text used almost exclusively by the early Church fathers. If you tried to reconstruct the Bible from references to it by the ECFs, your text would basically be the Textus Receptus/Byzantine text.

Or so most of the ‘Onlyists’ believe. Modern scholars discount the Byzantine text because we have no early manuscripts of it. What is seldom taken note of is that the Byzantine texts were generally preserve by monastic copyists with a zeal for precisely copying the text from one manuscript to another, and a scrupulous attention to detail.

Any of the modern redactions are automatically out-of-bounds for ‘Onlyists’, being based upon manuscript traditions which were definitely older than the Byzantine texts we have available, but which were not necessarily transmitted with the same zeal for accuracy. Many of the manuscripts used in the Hort-Wescott or Nestle/Aland were in fact discarded or put aside by the Church because they were known to have variant readings from the texts of the Byzantine sources.

Some ‘Onlyists’ (think “Gail Ripplinger” and her ilk) call translations based on the Nestle/Aland or Hort-Wescott “Garbage-Pail Bibles”, alluding to the fact that some of the sources for those texts were manuscripts that had literally been consigned to the trash. The only thing commending the manuscripts to scholars was the fact that they were older than the known manuscripts used for the KJV.

For Onlyists, ‘older’ is not necessarily ‘better’. This is important to know because, for Evangelicals such as Hank Hanegraaff who reject Onlyism, there tends to be an inherent concession that older manuscripts ARE better. The analogy is made to the game of ‘telephone’, where a message is passed around a large group by mouth-to-ear, and then ultimately compared with the original message. Invariably the message changes, or so it is said.

The problem with the analogy is that it is not exactly how copyists preserved the texts. In most cases especially among the Byzantine copyists, multiple eyes scrutinized each page of the copy, checked for exactitude as well as for spelling, and had a number of procedural tests to ensure the integrity of each copy. It was known precisely how many letters were on each page, how many words, and which was the middle word and the middle letter of that page. A single error caused the whole page to be erased, if possible, or destroyed if not.

Onlyists argue that such attention to detail ensured that only exceptionally rare and insignificant variants occurred within the Byzantine textual tradition. I am told, however that this idea of a near-pristine Byzantine textual tradition as opposed to other textual traditions of unknown or clearly suspect origin, is largely a KJV-Onlyist myth.
 
Some Protestants think that the King James Version of the Bible is the only valid English translation, and that all other translations are corrupt. I didn’t know that this was even true until just recently, when I saw a bunch of KJV-only Protestants, particularly Baptists, commenting on YouTube. What makes them think that the KJV is the only valid English translation of the Bible? That sounds completely ridiculous and laughable to me, especially when people in the 21st century have trouble reading it because of all of the thous, thees, etc. To add to that is the fact that there are obvious errors in the KJV.
If Protestant think the King James Version is the valid English translation. I wonder how authenicity are Non-English Bible? Should they be downgraded?
 
If Protestant think the King James Version is the valid English translation. I wonder how authenicity are Non-English Bible? Should they be downgraded?
I’ve wondered the same thing. Also with Islam and the Koran/Qu’ron, arabic translations.

I just take the position that if any teaching depends on a specific word in a specific translation then acceptance is not immediate. While the original language may be static the English language is growing and changing everyday.

As was suggested in a prevoius post many are KJV only or primary to gain status within the community. Similar to the “I was saved when I was 5 years old” crowd who almost demand a greater place to those new converts we seek.
 
To prefer it is one thing, but “Onlyists” claim that the translation itself is inspired and free from error.

**As I might have pointed out, adherents of the KJVO superstition never say WHICH recension of the KJV is the inspired one.

The two commonly available ones in the USA are the last revision of 1789 and the ASB normalization according to American spellings done in 1904.

NEITHER is the KJV “as originally written”. The Abp. of Canterbury ordered over a dozen changes on his own authority after the fair copy was delivered to the printer.

And this fair copy was soon lost!

And then–if they really accept the KJV as inspired, they would have to accept the Apocrypha, because it was translated and published as part of the KJV.**
 
As one who crossed the Tiber after spending nearly 40 years in a KJV-only church, I would like to add another point that may seem a little too simple. Other translations scared our congregation.

Any translation that put a verse in a different light than was seen in the KJV could be perceived as a threat to the purity, as we saw it, of our faith. People using other translations were looked down on and I do think it was fear. If something were seen differently from what the preacher previously taught, there was some erosion in his authority and of our church.

We sometimes had sermons in which it was claimed that certain translations were the work of modernists or were worldly, etc. There was just too much risk in reading any other version. Our sola scriptura was strictly tied to the exact words we used and memorized and occasionally used to correct what we thought was error. Even when people were called on to lead the congregation in prayer, they used the personal pronouns from KJV English.

If we had to reconsider the teachings of our personal interpretation, we might even head out to join another Protestant group or worse, those misguided Catholics who did not really believe the Bible because they used another version. I did reconsider, thank God, and I am happily part of the Church I once resisted.
 
As I might have pointed out, adherents of the KJVO superstition never say WHICH recension of the KJV is the inspired one.
I pass a certain Baptist church frequently that is KJV only. Their sign says they use the 1611 version.

I haven’t stopped to inquire if that includes the Deuterocanonicals!

I still (as a convert) have a great love for the KJV. It seems to me to have more poetry, and subtlety of meaning, than even the DR. I understand that one of the jobs of the 50 scholars tht worked on it was to include the shades of meaning that were in the originals. (I don’t know how valid that is, though; I can’t remember where I learned it. No, I’ve never been a member of a KJVO church.)

I use the RSV-CE 2nd Edition for studying, though.

God bless us all,

Ruthie
 
A lot of Baptist members that I have known used NIV. The Church I grew up in was strict KJV only. I am currently reading out of the St. Ignatius RSV-CE.
 
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