Last Judgement. Am I the only one who ever thought of this?

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Ok so I know this is a bit screwy and absurd and isn’t proper theology but I thought of this a while back and was wondering if anybody had any thoughts on it. There is the part in scripture where they talk about Jesus separating humanity like the sheep from the goats and that those at his left hand will be damned and I guess this is where we get terms like the left hand path and things. Now we say that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father. So theoretically God is on Christ’s left side. Has anybody thought of the possibility of God damning himself by being at the left hand side of Christ? I’m sure this is blasphemy and heretical I was just curious if anybody else ever thought of this concept. I’ve also heard that there is a part in scripture that he who hangs on a tree is cursed does that also mean God cursed himself for us through the crucifixion? Is that part of a fulfilment of prophecy. Some one please give me some feedback or clue me in on these things.

Pax Christi.
 
PaladinSword said:
Ok so I know this is a bit screwy and absurd and isn’t proper theology but I thought of this a while back and was wondering if anybody had any thoughts on it. There is the part in scripture where they talk about Jesus separating humanity like the sheep from the goats and that those at his left hand will be damned and I guess this is where we get terms like the left hand path and things. Now we say that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father. So theoretically God is on Christ’s left side. Has anybody thought of the possibility of God damning himself by being at the left hand side of Christ? I’m sure this is blasphemy and heretical I was just curious if anybody else ever thought of this concept. I’ve also heard that there is a part in scripture that he who hangs on a tree is cursed does that also mean God cursed himself for us through the crucifixion? Is that part of a fulfilment of prophecy. Some one please give me some feedback or clue me in on these things.

Pax Christi.
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Damnation (hell) is the absence of God - how can God possibly be absent from Himself? Forget whether it’s proper theology, it isn’t remotely logical even.

As for ‘being cursed’, it was Jesus who hung on the tree not the Father. And Jesus was indeed ‘cursed’. In the sense of being reviled, mocked and scorned and derided - as He was by most of the bystanders on Calvary - and even the bad thief. But never damned.
 
Sorry I should have presented things more organized. I know that only the son was crucified I know more than I’ve led on I was just wondering if any one had the same hairbrained ideas as me. Also the old creed says that Christ descended into hell after he died and I’ve read some ancient texts that aren’t in the bible about what transpired while Christ was in hell. Though not in the canon are these texts still reliable I don’t remember what they were called someone please further enlighten me. I just thought these things were interesting hope not to be wasting anyones time. I also apologize for any errors as I’m on an iPhone.
 
PaladinSword said:
Sorry I should have presented things more organized. I know that only the son was crucified I know more than I’ve led on I was just wondering if any one had the same hairbrained ideas as me. Also the old creed says that Christ descended into hell after he died and I’ve read some ancient texts that aren’t in the bible about what transpired while Christ was in hell. Though not in the canon are these texts still reliable I don’t remember what they were called someone please further enlighten me. I just thought these things were interesting hope not to be wasting anyones time. I also apologize for any errors as I’m on an iPhone.
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  1. I think you are thinking too much. For one thing, I think that the people Christ divided up would be in front of Him rather than next to, so you’d have a totally different situation.
  2. The fact that they are not included in the Canon of Sacred Scripture means the Apocrypha are *not *reliable. In fact, some of them were written by heretics to bolster their case, so they aren’t even worth reading at all.
 
PaladinSword said:
Sorry I should have presented things more organized. I know that only the son was crucified I know more than I’ve led on I was just wondering if any one had the same hairbrained ideas as me. Also the old creed says that Christ descended into hell after he died and I’ve read some ancient texts that aren’t in the bible about what transpired while Christ was in hell. Though not in the canon are these texts still reliable I don’t remember what they were called someone please further enlighten me. I just thought these things were interesting hope not to be wasting anyones time. I also apologize for any errors as I’m on an iPhone.
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It doesn’t mean hell in the way we think of it nowadays. Try looking at this for more explanation.

And those texts are not reliable. If they are not in the canon of the Bible as taught by the Church then they are not reliable.
 
PaladinSword said:
Ok so I know this is a bit screwy and absurd and isn’t proper theology but I thought of this a while back and was wondering if anybody had any thoughts on it. There is the part in scripture where they talk about Jesus separating humanity like the sheep from the goats and that those at his left hand will be damned and I guess this is where we get terms like the left hand path and things. Now we say that Jesus is seated at the right hand of God the Father. So theoretically God is on Christ’s left side. Has anybody thought of the possibility of God damning himself by being at the left hand side of Christ? I’m sure this is blasphemy and heretical I was just curious if anybody else ever thought of this concept. I’ve also heard that there is a part in scripture that he who hangs on a tree is cursed does that also mean God cursed himself for us through the crucifixion? Is that part of a fulfilment of prophecy. Some one please give me some feedback or clue me in on these things.

Pax Christi.
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Let me chime in on this.

“Sitting on one’s right hand” is a Semitic idiom and perhaps is best not taken literalistically as if Jesus really is literally sitting on a chair up in heaven on the Father’s right hand-side. The ancients usually considered the right direction positively: the right hand-side particularly denoted authority and power, hence being one’s ‘right-hand man’ (IMHO the closest approximation of this expression in modern English) means to be in a very high position. When it is said that Jesus “sat down on the right hand of God” what it means essentially is that “God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name,” as St. Paul says. The left, by contrast, has had historically a lot of negative stuff associated with it: for one, the word ‘sinister’ is Latin for ‘left’. Unlike the right, the left side is the ‘shameful’ direction.
 
To lighten things up a bit, Marcus Grodi (EWTN) said that when he was growing up he thought God the Father had to do everything left handed because Jesus was sitting on His right hand. 😃

More proof not to take Jewish idioms too far!
 
When people talk about somebody sitting at somebody’s right hand, they usually mean that the person is sitting down, forward, and right from them.

God the Father is being pictured as the King, sitting highest and furthest back. Nothing is at His left hand.

Similarly, nothing is at Jesus’ left hand. God the Father is pictured as sitting behind Him, backing Him up.
 
Mintaka said:
When people talk about somebody sitting at somebody’s right hand, they usually mean that the person is sitting down, forward, and right from them.

God the Father is being pictured as the King, sitting highest and furthest back. Nothing is at His left hand.

Similarly, nothing is at Jesus’ left hand. God the Father is pictured as sitting behind Him, backing Him up.
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Not quite true that nothing is sitting at his left hand. When James and John asked to sit one at Jesus’ right hand and one at his left Jesus didn’t say there was no one on His left, He said it was not His to give, implying there WAS someone sitting at His right AND left hands. (Mk 10:32-45)

Interestingly enough this was yesterday’s Gospel reading.
 
InternetWoman said:
Not quite true that nothing is sitting at his left hand. When James and John asked to sit one at Jesus’ right hand and one at his left Jesus didn’t say there was no one on His left, He said it was not His to give, implying there WAS someone sitting at His right AND left hands. (Mk 10:32-45)

Interestingly enough this was yesterday’s Gospel reading.
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That passage shows Marks skill as a storyteller:

And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came up to him and said to him, “Teacher, we want you to do for us whatever we ask of you.” And he said to them, “What do you want me to do for you?” And they said to him, “Grant us to sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your glory.” Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?” And they said to him, “We are able.” And Jesus said to them, The cup that I drink you will drink, and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized, but to sit at my right hand or at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared."

Fast forwarding:

And they crucified him and divided his garments among them, casting lots for them, to decide what each should take. And it was the third hour when they crucified him. And the inscription of the charge against him read, “The King of the Jews.” And with him they crucified two robbers, one on his right and one on his left.

Dramatic irony, folks.
 
InternetWoman said:
Not quite true that nothing is sitting at his left hand. When James and John asked to sit one at Jesus’ right hand and one at his left Jesus didn’t say there was no one on His left, He said it was not His to give, implying there WAS someone sitting at His right AND left hands. (Mk 10:32-45)

Interestingly enough this was yesterday’s Gospel reading.
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That passage shows Mark’s skill as a storyteller.

And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came up to him and said to him, “Teacher, we want you to do for us whatever we ask of you.” And he said to them, “What do you want me to do for you?” And they said to him, “Grant us to sit, one at your right hand and one at your left, in your glory.” Jesus said to them, “You do not know what you are asking. Are you able to drink the cup that I drink, or to be baptized with the baptism with which I am baptized?” And they said to him, “We are able.” And Jesus said to them, The cup that I drink you will drink, and with the baptism with which I am baptized, you will be baptized, but to sit at my right hand or at my left is not mine to grant, but it is for those for whom it has been prepared."

Fast forwarding:

And they crucified him and divided his garments among them, casting lots for them, to decide what each should take. And it was the third hour when they crucified him. And the inscription of the charge against him read, “The King of the Jews.” And with him they crucified two robbers, one on his right and one on his left.
 
Re: hanging on a tree, Jesus did take on the covenant curse of humans not going with the Covenant conditions. (Although a lot of people went with Judas as cursing himself.)

However, there was also a Septuagint translation of an OT verse saying that God “reigned from a tree”, and this was the light in which early Christians read the verse. (Ps. 96:10, which is now translated as "Say among the Gentiles, “The Lord has reigned,” is in the Septuagint as "Say among the Gentiles, “The Lord has reigned from the wood” or “from a tree.” This shows up in stuff like St. Justin Martyr, or the hymn “Vexilla Regis Prodeunt.”) Also, of course they read it in light of Moses’ brass serpent, hung up high so that people could see it and be healed; and in light of Isaiah’s prophecy about the Suffering Servant, whom men thought cursed because He suffered for their sins.
 
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