LDS: Do they consider Catholics christian?

[jane_doe]

This thread has been quite educational in helping me understand the Catholic mindset. Thank you guys & gals.

 

[gazelam]

Simple question. I’ve tried googling but all links end up been about what Catholics think of Mormons, not the other way. I did work out that Mormons don’t consider a Catholic baptism valid, which suggests to me that they don’t consider us Christian but that could simply be me assuming they think the same way the Church does.

I haven’t read all of the comments but let me answer the question from a different angle. The LDS hymnal has hymns authored by LDS, Catholics, and Protestants. Those hymns authored by Catholics wouldn’t be in the LDS hymnal if there were concerns about the authors’ Christian bona fides. Here is a list of LDS hymns authored by non-LDS: ldsorganists.info/authors_composers_nonlds.htm

Some Catholics authors I see are Joseph Mohr, Francis of Assisi, Theodulph of Orleans, John Henry Newman and Bernard of Clairvaux. I hope this helps…

 

[Crusaderbear]

I haven’t read all of the comments but let me answer the question from a different angle. The LDS hymnal has hymns authored by LDS, Catholics, and Protestants. Those hymns authored by Catholics wouldn’t be in the LDS hymnal if there were concerns about the authors’ Christian bona fides. Here is a list of LDS hymns authored by non-LDS: ldsorganists.info/authors_composers_nonlds.htm

Some Catholics authors I see are Joseph Mohr, Francis of Assisi, Theodulph of Orleans, John Henry Newman and Bernard of Clairvaux. I hope this helps…

Good points.

 

[Marie5890]

This thread has been quite educational in helping me understand the Catholic mindset. Thank you guys & gals.

Just remember, it’s the mindset of Catholic here on CAF.
An everyday, church going Catholic who is not as deeply involved in theology and apologetics may very well have a different mind set.

Just be mindful of that.

Catholics are not monolithic. Most don’t think in black and white terms

 

[iepuras]

I haven’t read all of the comments but let me answer the question from a different angle. The LDS hymnal has hymns authored by LDS, Catholics, and Protestants. Those hymns authored by Catholics wouldn’t be in the LDS hymnal if there were concerns about the authors’ Christian bona fides. Here is a list of LDS hymns authored by non-LDS: ldsorganists.info/authors_composers_nonlds.htm

Some Catholics authors I see are Joseph Mohr, Francis of Assisi, Theodulph of Orleans, John Henry Newman and Bernard of Clairvaux. I hope this helps…

And the LDS church has changed the lyrics or omitted entire verses of many of those hymns so that they are consistent with LDS doctrine.

 

[Marie5890]

And the LDS church has changed the lyrics or omitted entire verses of many of those hymns so that they are consistent with LDS doctrine.

(Oh I deeply cringed when I heard how the tabernacle choir completely changed “Ave Maria”. Wrote an entirely different set of lyrics. Called it “Heavenly Father”. )

 

[iepuras]

(Oh I deeply cringed when I heard how the tabernacle choir completely changed “Ave Maria”. Wrote an entirely different set of lyrics. Called it “Heavenly Father”. )

Lord, have mercy! I guess a hymn about Mary half of which is straight out of Luke is just too problematic. Maybe those verses from Luke weren’t translated correctly.

 

[RebeccaJ]

(Oh I deeply cringed when I heard how the tabernacle choir completely changed “Ave Maria”. Wrote an entirely different set of lyrics. Called it “Heavenly Father”. )

Ditto for All Creatures Of Our God And King. The MoTab version sounds very good, but the the last verse is omitted. St. Francis was praising and worshiping our God. Mormons won’t praise and worship our God.

Let all things their Creator bless,
and worship him in humbleness,
alleluia, alleluia!
Praise, praise the Father, praise the Son,
and praise the Spirit, Three in One:
O praise him, O praise him,
alleluia, alleluia, alleluia!

 

[Marie5890]

Ditto for All Creatures Of Our God And King. The MoTab version sounds very good, but the the last verse is omitted. St. Francis was praising and worshiping our God. Mormons won’t praise and worship our God.

Let all things their Creator bless,
and worship him in humbleness,
alleluia, alleluia!
Praise, praise the Father, praise the Son,
and praise the Spirit, Three in One:
O praise him, O praise him,
alleluia, alleluia, alleluia!

Oh I didn’t know that.
Geez…

 

[RebeccaJ]

Oh I didn’t know that.
Geez…

It is unfortunate!

It is one of my favorite hymns, and I found the MoTab recording online. It is really, very good, and was thinking wow, the MoTab singing St. Francis!..then they didn’t sing the last verse. It was a let down.

 

[Marie5890]

It is unfortunate!

It is one of my favorite hymns, and I found the MoTab recording online. It is really, very good, and was thinking wow, the MoTab singing St. Francis!..then they didn’t sing the last verse. It was a let down.

Im glad I haven’t heard it. I would have been let down too, without the last verse.
It’s a truly beautiful hymn.

 

[kimg901]

And the LDS church has changed the lyrics or omitted entire verses of many of those hymns so that they are consistent with LDS doctrine.

Are songs and their words chosen before they can be sung at G.C or any LDS venue? If yes it reminds me of a song I heard a few years back (the lds that I work with were watching the G.C) and the lady singing said and I quote " Joseph Smith is in heaven mingling with other gods" Off topic sort off.

 

[CatholicSheila]

And the LDS church has changed the lyrics or omitted entire verses of many of those hymns so that they are consistent with LDS doctrine.

To be fair, I consider most protestants to be Christian but there are some protestant hymns I won’t listen to unless they are changed because of the theology behind.

Disagreeing on some matters of doctrine doesn’t mean we don’t consider someone a fellow Christian.

 

[RebeccaJ]

To be fair, I consider most protestants to be Christian but there are some protestant hymns I won’t listen to unless they are changed because of the theology behind.

Disagreeing on some matters of doctrine doesn’t mean we don’t consider someone a fellow Christian.

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If you want to take a Mormon hymn and attempt to Christianize it, good luck with that! They will gladly sing praises about Joseph Smith, or hieing to Kolob to meet their Heavenly Mother, but cannot and will not worship, in song, the Triume God who Christians worship.

It isn’t changing hymn lyrics that removes Mormonism from Christianity. It is their rejection of the Holy Trinity. The changes they make to Christian hymns reflects this rejection.

 

[CatholicSheila]

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If you want to take a Mormon hymn and attempt to Christianize it, good luck with that! They will gladly sing praises about Joseph Smith, or hieing to Kolob to meet their Heavenly Mother, but cannot and will not worship, in song, the Triume God who Christians worship.

It isn’t changing hymn lyrics that removes Mormonism from Christianity. It is their rejection of the Holy Trinity. The changes they make to Christian hymns reflects this rejection.

I’m a little confused about why the thread is discussing whether or not Mormons were Christians at all. That wasn’t the question. It is fairly standard knowledge that the Catholic Church doesn’t consider them Christian.

The question was what do they think of us. I’m rather annoyed that it turned into a thread about what we think of them.

 

[adamhovey1988]

I’m a little confused about why the thread is discussing whether or not Mormons were Christians at all. That wasn’t the question. It is fairly standard knowledge that the Catholic Church doesn’t consider them Christian.

The question was what do they think of us. I’m rather annoyed that it turned into a thread about what we think of them.

I think it may depend on which Mormon you ask