LDS: What if a New Prophet rose up and declared your church apostate?

[O.S.Luke]

I was condescending to Dennis in an earlier post. My apologies to all who have posted here, and to him.

Pax,

O+

 

[amgid]

dennisknapp:

Originally Posted by amgid
I have never started a single thread on the Apostasy issue, and I don’t recall that many other LDS have either. You guys are the ones who like to bring this subject up. It must bug you! I wonder why!

Let’s see…

It does bug you a lot, doesn’t it!

No evidence for it.

Plenty of evidence for it!

Based solely on the word of someone who lived 1700 years after the fact.

Nay, based on the word of the Bible!

The “restored” church looks nothing like anything ever seen before in Christian history.

Far from it. Looks everything like what is seen in Christian history.

The only proof for it rests on a foundation of straw,

Nay, the foundation of the Bible!

ie., subjective experience in the form of a “spiritual testimony.”

Not true! See above.

Oh, and some Catholics were bad people.

Never said that! There have been good and bad people in every church.

The entire LDS position relies on it.

You mean on the Bible! Yes!

Need I go on?

To save face, I wouldn’t if I were you!

amgid

 

[Loboto-Me]

You aren’t! Yes I am! You stink! No I don’t!

This is starting to sound like a child without a valid arguement.

 

[dennisknapp]

amgid:

It does bug you a lot, doesn’t it!

Plenty of evidence for it!

Are these not your words?

amgid:

I agree that defining the Apostasy in precise theological terms, and exactly how and when it occurred, is a bit difficult to do. But our observations lead us to the conclusion that it did happen. A US judge once said that although I can’t give an accurate legal definition of what constitutes pornography, I can always recognize it when I see it! The same holds true of the Apostasy. I can’t give you an accurate theological description for it, but I can for sure recognize it when I see it. And that is what I observe in the Christian world today.

amgid

amgid:

Nay, based on the word of the Bible!

Now you are just being silly, and you know it. The LDS doctrine of the apostasy is not based on the bible alone.

amgid:

Far from it. Looks everything like what is seen in Christian history.

Feel free to provide an example from Christian history (before the 1800’s).

amgid:

Nay, the foundation of the Bible!

What bible is this?

amgid:

Not true! See above.

Have you not said you only believe Mormonism is true because of your spiritual testimony?

You said on another thread in response to Phaedrus:

amgid:

Phaedrus:

You believe that your religion is true. I’m guessing that you came to that conclusion through a logical process.

Actually I did not. If I relied on rational arguments alone, I would never be a Mormon. I am a Mormon because the Spirit of the Lord witnesses to me that it is true. Having gained that witness, however, I am also able to see the rationality behind it, which enables me to argue forcefully with rational arguments in favor of it. But the ultimate witness behind it is spiritual, not rational.

So, it is based on a subjective experience.

amgid:

Never said that! There have been good and bad people in every church.

Have you not said one of the marks of the apostasy was the immorality of the clergy?

amgid:

You mean on the Bible! Yes!

Again, silly. See above.

amgid:

To save face, I wouldn’t if I were you!

amgid

Who is trying to save face? I am just trying to get at the truth.

Peace

 

[amgid]

Loboto-Me:

You aren’t! Yes I am! You stink! No I don’t!

I see. So from idiotic logic we have moved to abusive language, have we? Congratulations!

This is starting to sound like a child without a valid arguement.

I can see all your frustration coming through. That is understandable I suppose, since you don’t have any valid arguments.

amgid

 

[Brad_Haas]

Amgid, disregarding your beliefs, you’re being very uncharitable. You’re certainly not impressing me or convincing me of anything.

 

[Loboto-Me]

amgid:

I see. So from idiotic logic we have moved to abusive language, have we? Congratulations!

I can see all your frustration coming through. That is understandable I suppose, since you don’t have any valid arguments.

amgid

Abusive language? I think you being are a tad over sensitive.

The only frustration I believe is not coming from me but from yourself as evidenced by your recent argumentive style.

I don’t need any valid arguments, I believe Dennis and others here have already demonstrated a valid arguement.

 

[amgid]

dennisknapp:

Who is trying to save face? I am just trying to get at the truth.

I hope you are; but it does not look like that to me.

amgid

 

[Catherine_Grant]

Since the tone and content of the posts in this thread degenerated long ago, I am closing this thread.

Please remember to show charity toward each other at all times.