Legislative support slim for same-sex marriage ban

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When put to the people “gay marriage” has zero chance. As such homosexual groups have to keep the issue in the courts and congress where they can wield influence with money.
 
When put to the people “gay marriage” has zero chance. As such homosexual groups have to keep the issue in the courts and congress where they can wield influence with money.
Then why did the people of New Mexico reject a ban on Same Sex Marriage this last election?
 
Because they have a prochoice governor. More reasons to pray. He is considering throwing his hat in the presidential race too.
 
Because they have a prochoice governor. More reasons to pray. He is considering throwing his hat in the presidential race too.
What does that have to do with a popular vote on a ballot? Or are you meaning because they would elect him, they would not ban gay marriage?
 
Maybe this issue should be decided by the voters. If it gets turned down nationwide then that is what we have. If the voters support the ban then the other side wins. After all, this is a democracy folks. The minority, whoever they may be has to accept the decision of the majority which is not best played out in the courts.
 
Maybe this issue should be decided by the voters. If it gets turned down nationwide then that is what we have. If the voters support the ban then the other side wins. After all, this is a democracy folks. The minority, whoever they may be has to accept the decision of the majority which is not best played out in the courts.
There are some things that cannot be done in such a manner. Jim Crow laws existed because of the will of the people. The courts had to ‘legislate from the bench’ to undo much racist law that was put there by the people.

Are they comparative matters at stake here? I’m not taking a stance on this, but it is far from true that the people are always right when it comes to fairness and equality.
 
There are some things that cannot be done in such a manner. Jim Crow laws existed because of the will of the people. The courts had to ‘legislate from the bench’ to undo much racist law that was put there by the people.

Are they comparative matters at stake here? I’m not taking a stance on this, but it is far from true that the people are always right when it comes to fairness and equality.
Well I for one will not listen to a court tell me I have to call something marriage that isn’t. What’s next? Do you force the Church to perform the ceremonies? I will die before allowing that to happen.
 
Well I for one will not listen to a court tell me I have to call something marriage that isn’t. What’s next? Do you force the Church to perform the ceremonies? I will die before allowing that to happen.
That would infringe on the 1st amendment, the entire amendment would have to be changed. Recognizing gay marriage as a legal bond is just that, a legal issue.
 
That would infringe on the 1st amendment, the entire amendment would have to be changed. Recognizing gay marriage as a legal bond is just that, a legal issue.
Does that mean legally if I owned property I would have to rent to something I do not consent to? That would also infringe on 1st amendment rights, would it not?
 
That would infringe on the 1st amendment, the entire amendment would have to be changed. Recognizing gay marriage as a legal bond is just that, a legal issue.
I still won’t “recognize” gay marriage. I will not call a cat a dog. 2 + 2 still equals 4 nothing else.
 
Does that mean legally if I owned property I would have to rent to something I do not consent to? That would also infringe on 1st amendment rights, would it not?
You mean how it’s illegal to not rent on the basis of race, religion or sex?

The frequent argument against ‘protections’ for SSA individuals is that you are protecting a ‘choice’. We don’t protect ‘choices’ according to many, but this is simply not true.

Religion is a choice. We choose to be Catholic. Sure we may have been raised with it, but at some point we chose to follow it once we aged past a certain maturity level.

I realize given your posting history that you don’t believe SSA is a choice, however living with a member of the same sex IS a choice. Just like religion. Would you not rent to a Muslim if you could? A Hindu? An Atheist? Where do you draw the line?
I still won’t “recognize” gay marriage. I will not call a cat a dog. 2 + 2 still equals 4 nothing else.
You don’t have to, if the Church will never recognize me getting married to my fiance I am fully capable of hiring a lawyer to write up a complex document that simulates every single legal aspect of a marriage that is legal in every single state and is not stopped by any amendment or law.

It’s called a contract. A legal partnership to be specific, it’s what lawyers often use. Marriage legally speaking just simplifies all this paperwork into one document.

My solution is to simply completely separate this commingling of legalese and God. Marriage is a religious matter, thus the state should not be involved with it what so ever. Only churches should be able to conduct marriages.

For the legal matters there would be an agreement between the two parties that must be witnessed by a justice of the peace. In every state, that I’m aware of, a priest is by default a justice of the peace, thus all marriage ceremonies double as a legal ceremony automatically with no changes.

This severs the word marriage from the debate, however many activists have no interest in this path. Funny that.

Why? This tells me that they really do want to ‘destroy’ marriage, or at least change it so much as to mean it is destroyed relative to what it was originally.
 
I live in Massachusetts. I wish that the court had stayed out of it, not required a “gay marriage” law, and let Massachusetts create a civil unions law (as Vermont did). Calling it ‘marriage’ has released unbelievable vitriol from both sides of the issue. It’s sad. Legal recognition of civil unions would have taken care of the civil rights issues without the marriage issue being thrown in. If liberal churches like the Unitarians or the UCC wanted to perform “marriages” in their own faith traditions, that would have been fine. Catholics could have stayed away from the whole thing.

Unfortunately, it didn’t happen that way. Gay people are, by law, allowed to marry in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. Allowing people to vote on that issue of civil rights–unfortunately dressed in the more value-laden terminology of ‘marriage’- is not appropriate. We don’t vote on civil rights. I wish it had been done differently, but it wasn’t.
I will die before allowing that to happen.
You’ll be in good company, but I wouldn’t worry. The Catholic Church isn’t going to be forced to do anything of the sort.
 
This issue is getting so much play in the Media. Yet it should be a non-issue. The problem is that singling out a group of people is discrimination under the US Constitution. Should these people have the same legal rights to visit a partner in the hospital or be able to inherit property and estates when their partner dies? The answer is probably Yes. Marriage, on the other hand should be the Dominion of the Church only. When a person gets married in a civil cerimony by a judge or othe non religious person then the union should be called just that a “civil union” no a marriage. I don’t support the issue but I do believe that on purely legal grounds, that these people will win in court the same protections as other groups. You have to remember that many of our founding fathers were not christians in the strict sense. Many of these men were deists. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deist) Many others were freemasons, a group that also holds Deist beliefs. Still others were Unitarians .(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitarianis)
I will not be judged for what theses people are doing in their lives. In closing I have far to many planks in my eye to Judge them. Jesus always said “you are forgiven” but “Go and sin NO MORE” When we reach that state of Grace , maybe we should start worrying about whether Gays have constitutional protection.
 
Then why did the people of New Mexico reject a ban on Same Sex Marriage this last election?
Attempting to translate the rejection of a ban, which could be for any number of reasons, into support for gay marriage is absurd. Even in Californa, where logically one would expect this sort of tripe to receive at least a fair amount of support, when gay “marriage” goes to the people it fails miserably.
 
I hate to single out Canada (as someone who grew up in Detroit, I have a soft spot for my “southern” neighbors 😉 ), but once they legalized gay “marriage”, the proverbial you-know-what hit the fan.

Knights of Columbus, a religious organization, last I checked, has been legally forced to allow lesbian “wedding” receptions in their halls. The Canadian counterparts to a justice of the peace (I can’t remember what they’re called…minister of marriage? 🤷 ) have been fired for refusing to perform such “marriages”- even those who took office before the law was passed, and even though they retain the right to refuse to marry heterosexual couples if reason exists.

Point it, once a secular form of gay “marriage” exists, it isn’t long until religion is dragged into it.
 
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