Let Scripture Interpret Scripture

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I need information on how this Evangelical concept is in error or at least flawed. Mark P. Shea in his book “By What Authority?” touches on the matter but there is not enough there to go head to head with someone holding to this concept with an iron grip. I know, maybe it is best to not to try to change this person’s mind but remember even iron can be soften using the right thing. So, anyone know of articles or books that can help “turn up the heat” to soften this person’s grip of this concept.

If you can me this information before Wednesday (11 Jan 2012) it would be appreciated. That is when the Bible study meets.
 
I need information on how this Evangelical concept is in error or at least flawed. Mark P. Shea in his book “By What Authority?” touches on the matter but there is not enough there to go head to head with someone holding to this concept with an iron grip. I know, maybe it is best to not to try to change this person’s mind but remember even iron can be soften using the right thing. So, anyone know of articles or books that can help “turn up the heat” to soften this person’s grip of this concept.

If you can me this information before Wednesday (11 Jan 2012) it would be appreciated. That is when the Bible study meets.
Can you share some of the person’s justifications as to why this person believes “Scripture interprets Scripture” to be true?

If you have the time, I’d skim through this thread that I started a few days ago. It deals with sola scriptura, which isn’t always the same practice, but a lot of the concepts apply.

Pretty much, on a simple level:
  1. Scripture can’t interpret Scripture because there exist different interpretations of Scripture, and logic tells us that two polar opposites can’t both be Truth as Jesus intended it. This is a teaching of the earliest apostles and Church Fathers.
  2. Scripture has no mechanism for interpreting itself. All the books in the Bible are written by different individuals, in different time periods, geographies, and cultural traditions, and they did not write with the goal to match each other – rather, for a hierarchy of priests and prophets, etc., to interpet and guide for them. Remember, that Scripture is literature at its heart – it contains metaphorical language, parables, history, prophecy, word-of-mouth, summary, Jesus’ direct teaching, etc. There are teachings regarding tangible things as well as moral things. There’s no way that the Bible alone can mediate between the differences.
  3. Scripture was compiled via external sources – via Tradition – within which it needs to be interpreted and understood. There’s no logical reason that can justify that separation.
List any specific arguments or questions – that’ll help target replies!
 
There are some good biblical references to how this does not hold up.
Read Acts 8 : 27-35 or so:

Acts 8 :
30 Philip ran up and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and said, “Do you understand what you are reading?”

31 He replied, “How can I, unless someone instructs me?” So he invited Philip to get in and sit with him.

There are other examples in the Bible. Then there is the obvious real-world results of people who interpret on their own authority- 30-something THOUSAND protestant denominations, each the result of a “new” interpretation of Scripture. Jesus founded His Church and conferred on the Apostles the authority to teach and lead it. Then He breathed on them, and they received the Holy Spirit from Him. Then He prayed for them that they would be one. That Church still exists today. Sadly, so do many others that have drifted from Christ’s Church. By what authority do they interpret & teach ?
 
If Scripture had been left to interpret Scripture…True Catholics may be arguing about the meaning of the source and summit of our Faith…The Eucharist.

The issues always seem to revolve around literalistic meanings, vs figurative…

Thank God for Holy Mother Church.
 
Saint Augustine:

“But I would not believe in the Gospel, had not the authority of the Catholic Church already moved me.”
 
Your friend is expounding a verse by St. Paul somewhere in one of the letters to the Corinthians where it says that spiritual things must be explained with spiritual things.

Actually this is not entirely a bad principle, when it applies. In the Vat II document Dei Verbum, the Fathers of the Council asserted that, that you have to appeal to all of scripture to understand any of it – it hangs together – because it has the One God as its author.

There’s maybe a verse, then the local context of that verse, then all of the Bible. But, it’s not that that principle is bad, it just isn’t enough.

Scripture itself does not give us that much information, to explain every other verse. Look at the account of Jesus on the road to Emmaus, walking with two disciples and explaining all the places in the Old Testament which refer to Jesus and his mission.

Where are all these verses that Jesus was referring to? We don’t have such a list, we have to take the best guess at which passages Jesus was referring to.

The underlying issue here is the importance of Tradition as a source of divine inspiration, alongside scripture. The ultlimate interpretation of spiritual things is given by the Church. Jesus said he would send the Spirit to teach them all the things he couldn’t do, and that the Spirit would give the Church the fullness of truth. It all doesn’t come out of a book, even the Bible.

The apostles were preaching and spreading the gospel for decades before all the book sof the New Testament were completed. As Msgr. George Agius said in his book Tradition and the Church, the early Church didn’t even need the Bible to spread the gospel, because of the tradition – handing on from one person to the next – of the good news.

Agius has a lot of illustrations about how important tradition is. One of them is to resolve disputes between two people who are arguing about scripture – it is the Church that decides how to interpret the scripture and settle the dispute. This happened with issues like the gnostic problem and the Arian heresy of the fourth century.

Agius wrote this book way back in the 1920’s, and he is really animated and expressive. In one place he even says that the Bible is a dead book without Tradition to explain it. and, it’s not any tradition, like Martin Luther’s tradition, but it’s Apostolic Tradition which the Catholic Church adheres to.

Scripture itself says to adhere to traditions that have been passed on. From the concordance in the Ignatius Study Bible, these verses are 2 Thess 2:15 and 2 Thess 3:6.

In several minutes of searching, it seems that your friend’s argument is based on 1 Co 2:13-15. Yeah, sure, but that’s not all that Paul teaches, as I’ve said, e.g. the citations from Thess.

DON’T ARGUE. Don’t say anything unless you have really prepared. Too bad you probably don’t have the Agius book handy.

from Dei Verbum section 12

But, since Holy Scripture must be read and interpreted in the sacred spirit in which it was written, (9) no less serious attention must be given to the content and unity of the whole of Scripture if the meaning of the sacred texts is to be correctly worked out.

section 9

Consequently it is not from Sacred Scripture alone that the Church draws her certainty about everything which has been revealed. Therefore both sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence.(6)

etc.

here’s the link to the entire document

ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/v2revel.htm
 
So according to “scripture interpreting scripture” 2Tim3:15-16 would mean that only OT scripture is applicable for us? The Bible as we know it hadn’t been compiled yet, Paul could only have been talking about OT scriptures since he advises Timothy about what he learned during his(Timothys) childhood, and the *only scripture available *would have been the OT. That theory would discount the whole NT.
 
it’s not that that principle is bad, it just isn’t enough.
I agree with this sentiment. For instance, sometimes you can find out what an NT author is trying to say by comparing certain phrases to the OT. But other times, the text simply doesn’t say. For instance, in Acts 15, they were trying to figure out if circumcision was necessary. They reference an OT passage (in Amos 9) - but that passage says nothing about circumcision. That’s why there was a debate in Acts 15 in the first place, because the Scripture that was helpful still wasn’t definitive. What sealed the deal was the authority of the council.
 
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Your “friend” has made an absolute statement which I cannot validate. I’ve never heard that and never read that, either.

If your “friend” makes a point of it again, you should ask him to explain it, where he got that idea, and to give an example of it. Please takes notes on what he says and please let us know what he says.

The KJV of 1 Co 2:15 (I think) says something like “interpreting spiritual **things **with spiritual.”

This makes complete sense, in context, that we cannot explain spiritual things in ordinary ways of thinking. That section of 1 Co 2 is emphasizing that the Holy Spirit gives us the spiritual understanding of things – and that’s not scripture interpreting scripture.

The Spirit gives us the gift of faith and understanding.

Again, don’t make a big deal of it, but have your friend explain him/herself.

Aside: a relative of mine decided to attend a sermon and service that was being conducted by someone she was acquainted with. Now, this was supposed to be a Christian church – United Church of Christ Congregational (?). Well, her female friend (also a seminary student) said along the way during her sermon that she didn’t believe in heaven or hell or in the second coming of Christ. There you go. When you talk to someone outside the Catholic Church, they’re likely to say ANYTHING, as long as it is not Catholic. Don’t be surprised. Pray for them.
 
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