LGBT Lessons in Primary Schools

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Here in the UK, a primary school teacher has been sacked for her Christian beliefs.
Kristie Higgs, 44, was dismissed for gross misconduct by Farmor’s School in Fairford, Gloucestershire, last year after sharing Facebook posts criticising plans to teach LGBT relationships in primary schools.
I have no hang up about LGBT issues at all, but feel that the teaching of such issues should be up to the parents and not the state education system. The treatment of this lady is appalling.
 
BabyWitch said:
you can’t deny that knowing these things won’t do any harm if you’re “doing your job” at home.
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actually, it doesn’t always work that way. When children are presented with ideas that oppose each other there is no guarantee that the child will follow the parents’ lead. In fact, this could actually undermine parental authority. I don’t know what age group UK primary includes but if this is any age under high school I would be very concerned. It’s one of the reasons my children attended a Catholic School. As they got older I addressed these issues on a level that they could understand. These are not issues I would want to leave up to a secular authority.
 
Agree. That is one of several reasons my children attended a Lutheran School affiliated with our Church. (There were other reasons, too. ) My children did later attend public high school and college and were exposed to such things but but then they had been well versed in the Christian faith.
 
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Parents have a right, at least so far in this country, to train their children up in their faith, Christian or otherwise.
I realize there are many progressives who would like to get rid of that right.
 
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How is learning to be civil and to respect others contrary to parental authority?
 
I realize the UK and Europe are different than the US.
Here we still have the right to send our children to parochial school and to homeschool.
Different states have different requirements for homeschooling. Mine is fairly strict.
There have been attempts to get rid of Catholic schools (in Oregon Pierce vs. Society of Sisters.)in our history. I guess I better bow out as this thread seems to mainly be in the UK.
 
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You see, I don’t agree with this idea of “parental authority”.
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Welp, we’ll see if you’re still all “question authority” when you are the authority and your kiddo is questioning you.
 
effinghamhill said:
Here in the UK, a primary school teacher has been sacked for her Christian beliefs.
Kristie Higgs, 44, was dismissed for gross misconduct by Farmor’s School in Fairford, Gloucestershire, last year after sharing Facebook posts criticising plans to teach LGBT relationships in primary schools.
I have no hang up about LGBT issues at all, but feel that the teaching of such issues should be up to the parents and not the state education system. The treatment of this lady is appalling.
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It’s sad but not surprising. A short distance away, Macron is pretty much in open political warfare against its Muslim citizens, which will be over 5 million people before much longer. Free speech doesn’t really exist there to the same degree in the US and although the old monarchial institutions eroded away awhile ago Europe still follows - at least latently - the idea that a country is a tribe and so going against moral fashions is very dangerous.
 
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This is what is coming. Mandatory indoctrination of children with these ideas. Object and you are ridiculed, or worse, you lose your career. The UK is particularly bad on this.
 
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This is what is coming. Mandatory indoctrination of children with these ideas. Object and you are ridiculed, or worse, you lose your career. The UK is particularly bad on this.
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I’m a firm believer that bankrupt ideas have a way of blowing up on themselves without any need for outside intervention, and this issue is so already in the process of blowing up on itself.

Girls are becoming transgender at rapidly higher rates in what previously was a very rare occurrence. The various psychological associations - whose integrity is deeply compromised by the beating war drums of ideological zeal - try very hard to rationalize it away but it’s becoming painfully obvious that children aren’t so much coming out as it is that they are being artificially manipulated. Sexual orientation is fluid for the average person.
 
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Its not that simple, it isn’t just about having respect (which by the way is always expected by the LGBTQI+ community but rarely reciprocated by them). This is about indoctrinating our youth. Here is Ireland there is talk of the allowing transgernder operations under the age of 16yrs without parental permission. This cannot not be allowed and won’t be tolerated.
 
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I doubt that these surgeries would be taking place in schools, would they?
 
I’m fine those children learning (and not in the early years) that gay people or other people who are not like them exist in the world and that we should treat everybody with kindness even if they are different, but I am very strongly in vehemently opposed to discussing LGBT in sex ed.

When I was in school, at least, this health class talked about our changing bodies, etc, our changing hormones, etc and did not cover any content referring to sex acts aside from the biological explanation about how procreation happens, and that is usually in biology class (a very academic sperm meet over and not anything about positions or romance).

It was up to our parents to talk about it anymore than that.

Now it seems some curriculum are providing instructional content on how to perform sex acts from the same sex perspective.
 
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You see, I don’t agree with this idea of “parental authority”. Sure, you can attempt to impart your values upon your child, but ultimately, they will have to learn about these things in order to make it in a progressively modern society. It’s not your choice in the end.
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I don’t totally agree with it either, at least not as an absolute.

Sure you can be a Catholic and train your child in that faith.

But I support the right of the school to impart some values, and I can see the school’s position in promoting some values that might be in conflict with the values of some families.

An extreme example I gave on another thread might be the school promoting Black History Month even though there’s one parent in the community still living in the 1950s and doesn’t want his kid learning about this integration stuff. I wouldn’t support the right of one parent to prevent this for the whole class.
 
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You see, I don’t agree with this idea of “parental authority”.
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It’s not an absolute, but certainly parents have authority and responsibility to raise their child with moral values. As Catholics our moral values are often at odds with the values of the rest of society. But this has often been the case throughout Church history.
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they will have to learn about these things in order to make it in a progressively modern society.
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Moral bankruptcy does not a progressive society make. Or a just one for that matter. Many so-called progressive social changes will ultimately be revealed to be deeply unjust and damaging. Gay marriage and the idea of “gay families” will ultimately deprive many children of at least one parent. The trans ideology will deeply wound and physically mutilate many misguided young people.
@TK421 is correct that this ideology will ultimately destroy itself. We see it already with the feminist movement, once at the forefront of the fight for progressiveness and equality, now derided and de-platformed for daring to state that women’s spaces should be for women.
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It’s not your choice in the end.
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No, its not. But the hope is that they choose the faith you’ve instilled in them.
 
There are multiple curricula that are designed to promote this ideology and are in use in various areas. But I see it all the time. First you’re having anti-LGBT bullying week, then it’s full on pride week, then you’re having speakers who undermine the religious faith of the kids and convince them that there’s nothing morally wrong with gay lifestyles.
 
Yes.

I don’t think it is really. I don’t think it’s a “nefarious plan” with villains plotting in a dark room to do this. But it’s certainly a concerted effort by probably mainly well meaning individuals who believe that this is about rights and equality to win hearts and minds. But ultimately it’s an effort to deny truths about morality and the human person that are universal and unchangeable.
 
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