Liberation Theology

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Can someone please explain to me what “liberation theology” is. I have heard the term before, and I know that JP2 and B16 were/are against this. I just don’t know enough about it to understand why they oppose it.

Thank you in advance for your help!🙂
 
Go get a book at he library called “The Jesuits - The Society of Jesus and the Betrayal of the Roman Catholic Church, Author - Malachi Martin - Linden Press”. This theology was started back in the late 1800’s by a South American Jesuit priest. Good book…unfortunately it is about a complete opposite of the teachings of Christ and the Roman Catholic church. You will find your answers in this book
 
Is Martin Malachi a reliable source? I’ve heard his non-fiction writings are rather controversial.
 
Liberation Theology has not been condemned in full, but certain aspedcts of it have definitely been beyond and apart from Church Teaching.

In part, Liberation Theology has gotten off track with a Gospel message that over-emphasizes social aspects of the Gospels, and has in part attempted to apply a Marxian approach of liberation of the masses to the Gospel. It has been used to support political and military movements seeking to overthrow governments. That is not to presume the legitimacy of the governments sought to be overthown, but it attempts to use the Gospel to justify an ethical/political/religious world view that floats somewhere between Socialism and Communism. When applied to the Church, it attempts to basically throw out the hierarchy as out of touch, corrupt, etc.

There seem to be some aspects of Liberation Theology that are not antithetical to the Church, but it has definitely been devisive in the Church throughout Central and South America.
 
All things being equal, I’d rather throw my lot in with Oscar Romero than with Malachi Martin.
 
This appeared in a newspaper in the UK yesterday. I thought it a reasonable overview, although I’m not entirely convinced by the author’s stance:

news.independent.co.uk/europe/article2524403.ece

The readings of Boff and Gutierrez are fairly accessible. One of the main critiques levelled against LT is its use of Marxist theory. Their response is to critique the Western church’s implicit support of Capitalism.
 
I would agree with the short descriptions of the posters in this thread. What they did not say, since they were directly answering your question, but what ought to be said in further explication, is that while full-bore “liberation theology” is largely a third-world phenomenon in a political sense, it has most definitely had a strong effect on many churchmen in the U.S. In that respect, it’s a lot like it’s sibling, socialism, which is overtly espoused in other parts of the world, but is more like an unacknowledged undercurrent of liberal thought in the U.S.
Thus, for example, we have many priests, nuns and lay “church professionals” who tend to identify theology with “social justice” concerns which are largely just liberal political policies.

It has always seemed to me that the “liberation theology” people and their milder U.S. counterparts have things backwards. It has seemed to me that radical conversion to Christianity, based on a true love of God and resolution to do its will is the most effective foundation for a charitable approach to others. “Liberation theology”, on the other hand, identifies the two, i.e., my social action IS my devotion to God and His will, and personal devotion is a sort of secondary thing, if not a negative thing. It is for this reason, in my opinion, that the most “liberal” (socio-political action oriented) people in the Church are the ones who tend to have the least regard for those things the Church has consider conducive to “personal relationships with God”.

As I said, I think they have it backward, since I am not terribly likely to really sacrifice much for my brother if I am not motivated to do so by my personal relationship with, and devotion to God. That, I think, is also why many of the “social action” people are so reliant on political action. Political action is coercive, and always seems to place the burden of charity on others; e.g., “the rich”, “big corporations”, through taxation and the adoption of political programs aimed at “helping the poor”, which may or may not actually help the poor.

It is, to me, vexing to see the American bishops adopt political papers espousing detailed “micro-tweaking” of the political system; a little more welfare here; a bit of change to Medicaid there; a touch of foreign aid over here; a higher price for coffee or bananas over there; passing reference to the ecology. To me, that’s just not the right approach at all, particularly since they often seem to deal, not with basic morality, but with prudential judgments about which people can legitimately differ. To me, the emphasis ought to be on those things that are incontrovertible (abortion, euthanasia, etc) from the Church’s standpoint, but primarily on personal conversion.

Like socialism, “liberation theology” is discredited, but it is far from dead.
 
Wow Ridgerunner… that was quite a detailed description! I was impressed by the description and analysis in one!!! Seriously I am impressed! Thanks so much for explaining it. What you said has a lot of merit. I often thought very much the same but I could never describe it quite like you did. WOW!!
 
Like socialism, “liberation theology” is discredited, but it is far from dead.
Like many things in life there are aspects of Liberation Theology that are positive and aspects that are negative.
All things being equal, I’d rather throw my lot in with Oscar Romero than with Malachi Martin.
I agree. Archbishop Romero was an amazing individual and his homilies and writings are especially inspiring and telling of a time when the Catholic Church and the people in Latin America were suffering greatly from terrible regimes and right-wing death squads.
who tend to identify theology with “social justice” concerns which are largely just liberal political policies
It is indeed a mistake to identify social justice with the cause du jour leftists of the United States. I would certainly agree with that. I don’t think that is what many South American theologians have done, perhaps American theologians (though I’d have to see evidence of that as well).
 
Liberation Theology is Marxism disguised as religion, just as evolution is religion disguised as science.

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Can someone please explain to me what “liberation theology” is. I have heard the term before, and I know that JP2 and B16 were/are against this. I just don’t know enough about it to understand why they oppose it.

Thank you in advance for your help!🙂
JPII and B16 have never opposed liberation theology as a whole, but they issued warnings about some problematic ways it could be developed. The main problem with it is that in some forms it substitutes an earthly utopia produced through revolution for the Kingdom of God that will be brought about only through God’s action.

However, insofar as liberation theology criticizes a purely spiritual notion of the Kingdom and draws a link between Christian holiness and social justice, it is to be commended in my opinion-and I think both Popes would agree with me there.

Edwin
 
Liberation Theology is Marxism disguised as religion, just as evolution is religion disguised as science.

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That’s a pretty dubious comparison, methinks. But then again, I believe in the Trinity, so who am I to comment? 😉
 
Throwing my 2 cents in for a definition, I would tackle it from two fronts. The first is the ones that have been described already in that Liberatin Theology uses a political construct as the basis for a theology. Theology is not politics and does not operate anywhere similar.
The other front is what I have been told came from JP2 when he was involved in the situation in Poland. The group there was “Solidarity”. The situation was that both opposition groups, the government and the workers knew that if one failed all failed. Attacking and making war against the other group untimately meant chaos for all - something not wanted by either side. Extreme violence was averted and the people won. In Liberation Theology, if it was applied to the Polish situation, would have had a war waged against each side. Fighting your neighbor is not liberating, but joining together is.
mdcpensive1
 
Theology is not politics and does not operate anywhere similar.
Not true at all. This denies what Catholics used to call the “social reign of Christ the King” or what the Calvinists of the 17th century called “the crown rights of King Jesus.” Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. That’s political. And if Christian theology isn’t about Christ’s Kingship, it’s a waste of time.

Solidarity was, BTW, an excellent example of liberation theology in action. I do not think that the “solidarity” in question was a solidarity of the oppressed with the oppressors, as you suggest.

Did Moses seek solidarity with Pharaoh?

Edwin
 
Not true at all. This denies what Catholics used to call the “social reign of Christ the King” or what the Calvinists of the 17th century called “the crown rights of King Jesus.” Jesus is King of Kings and Lord of Lords. That’s political. And if Christian theology isn’t about Christ’s Kingship, it’s a waste of time.

Solidarity was, BTW, an excellent example of liberation theology in action. I do not think that the “solidarity” in question was a solidarity of the oppressed with the oppressors, as you suggest.

Did Moses seek solidarity with Pharaoh?

Edwin
Maybe I should not have been as definitive in saying religion does not operate like politics, because I know one can find instances where religouis decisions are made based on politics.
This does not mean that Jesus was always"politically correct" in his starting His Church. (humor)
Jesus is a King, but His Kingdom is not a political party and we do not have a Catholic Political Party or an Epistcopalian Political Party or a Lutheran Political Party. His Kingship cannot be equated to political operations as we understand them in this country.
When John Paul II died, the political commentators would speculate on who the next Pope would be based on political criteria like demographics or viewpoints. Most had no clue that the Holy Spirit is not a political figure and is not out to get votes of the conclave.

I hope we are saying the same thing but using semantics to differentiate the terminology. We probably are and I just hope I added a little more to the conversation
Peace, mdcpensive1
 
Yes, I think we mean something different by politics. I mean by it “the way in which the common life of human beings is ordered.” You seem to mean something like “the pragmatic pursuit of power.” My definition is the original Aristotelian one, but yours is based on what politics generally looks like! So I think both are valid and useful.

However, I think that liberation theology is primarily concerned with politics in the first sense, though certainly it has often fallen into it in the second sense.

Edwin
 
Solidarity was, BTW, an excellent example of liberation theology in action. I do not think that the “solidarity” in question was a solidarity of the oppressed with the oppressors, as you suggest.

Did Moses seek solidarity with Pharaoh?

Edwin
Just wanted to add a solidarity comment.
Liberation Theology has at its heart the use of force to overthrow an opressive regime if they feel that is the only recourse. Or the end justifies the means. This was not the circumstance in Poland and I don’t feel the Solidarity movement was a success story of Liberation Theology. Lech Lawenza to me was never the same as a Central American freedom fighter carrying a gun and knife willing to kill for his cause.

mdcpensive1
 
Just wanted to add a solidarity comment.
Liberation Theology has at its heart the use of force to overthrow an opressive regime if they feel that is the only recourse. Or the end justifies the means.
I disagree strongly. I have known a lot of pacifists who embraced liberation theology. Of course it’s a matter of definition, but we see the “heart” of liberation theology very differently, and I think my view is closer to what people who self-identify as liberation theologians would say about their own tradition (or perhaps the pacifists I’ve known represented a watering down of the tradition).

As I understand it, the heart of liberation theology is the affirmation that political/social liberation is an indispensable part of Christ’s saving work. How that liberation comes about is a secondary (though still important) issue.

For what it’s worth, I think that both the last two Popes use the term more the way I do. Pope Benedict has recently clarified that he never condemned all forms of liberation theology but simply raised concerns about certain ways in which the theology could be used.

The reason I’m making an issue of this is that I think many people use a narrow definition of liberation theology (Marxist revolution clothed in Christian language, etc.) and use that narrow definition to dismiss liberation theology in the broader sense–the identification of liberation from oppression with Christian salvation. That prevents us from having a serious theological discussion about this broader and very important issue. I’m not convinced that liberation theologians such as Gustavo Gutierrez address this issue correctly, but they raise issues that we need to take seriously. A purely spiritual salvation is Gnostic, not orthodox.

In Christ,

Edwin
 
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