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Nap66
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Does God ever lie or just change his mind?
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Mary888
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I don’t think He changes His mind, but there may be certain times when His mind simply is not set on anything. Like when He is awaiting for something or … judging.
But He never lies, no.
But He never lies, no.
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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Lying? No
As for does God change His mind…I am not a philosopher or a theologian, but my understanding is that God does not experience time in a linear manner like we do.
Past, Present and Future are all the same to Him.
Therefore He’s not “capable” of changing His mind because His mind doesn’t quite work that way.
BTW–if I’ve just spread heresy, please delete this post, and correction is welcome!
As for does God change His mind…I am not a philosopher or a theologian, but my understanding is that God does not experience time in a linear manner like we do.
Past, Present and Future are all the same to Him.
Therefore He’s not “capable” of changing His mind because His mind doesn’t quite work that way.
BTW–if I’ve just spread heresy, please delete this post, and correction is welcome!
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Nap66
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Like if God promises something and later, because of human action via freewill, the promise is negated. Was that promise a lie, or did God just change his mind because of circumstances?
Some examples in the bible:
Through His prophet, God had told Nineveh He would destroy the city in forty days (Jonah 3:4).
However, Nineveh repented of their sin (verses 5–9). In response to the Assyrians’ repentance, God relented: “He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened”
A similar situation is found in Isaiah 38 (parallel passage found in 2 Kings 20) where God announced through Isaiah that Hezekiah”‘s illness was fatal, but after the king prayed and wept God had Isaiah announce that he would live 15 years longer.
Also, I wonder if Jesus’ statement on the cross “my God why have you abandoned me” was Jesus feeling that God had lied to him or changed his mind on Jesus’ mission on earth. Of course Jesus had to physically die and leave this earth to see that God had not lied to him or changed his mind. Is that what we have to do too? In the meantime have faith that all is for good even though it seems like God lied to us or changed his mind?
Some examples in the bible:
Through His prophet, God had told Nineveh He would destroy the city in forty days (Jonah 3:4).
However, Nineveh repented of their sin (verses 5–9). In response to the Assyrians’ repentance, God relented: “He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened”
A similar situation is found in Isaiah 38 (parallel passage found in 2 Kings 20) where God announced through Isaiah that Hezekiah”‘s illness was fatal, but after the king prayed and wept God had Isaiah announce that he would live 15 years longer.
Also, I wonder if Jesus’ statement on the cross “my God why have you abandoned me” was Jesus feeling that God had lied to him or changed his mind on Jesus’ mission on earth. Of course Jesus had to physically die and leave this earth to see that God had not lied to him or changed his mind. Is that what we have to do too? In the meantime have faith that all is for good even though it seems like God lied to us or changed his mind?
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Benadam
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I dont think it was a lie or a change of mind.
The Grace was obstructed by the change of condition.
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Benadam
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These are the first words of Psalm 22. Any Jew in earshot would have recognized it. The Psalm starts out as a cry of lament and at point of death Jesus may have been giving the Psalm its truest expression because it ends in victory. Giving those who love Him at the foot of the cross hope
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lilypadrees
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God never lies.
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KevinK
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If God never changed his mind what would be the point of petitionary prayer?
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii
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For one thing, we need to be in a state to receive the graces we are asking for.
CS Lewis said prayer changes us, not God
CS Lewis said prayer changes us, not God
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Nap66
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What if the change of condition was caused by a third-party and not in your control? Does that mean you still lose God’s Grace/promise and you must pay for the third-party’s free will actions? God allows a promise he made to you to not be fulfilled because of another person’s actions, which changes the condition and blocks such Grace. I guess I’m still not getting it.
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Benadam
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It would depend on the promise, whether or not a third party could cause an obstruction. If the promise involves others in some way. If recieving the promise is entirely dependent on you and your acts or failure to act, then some condition caused by you is obstructing the grace.
We may not know what the obstruction is. Then I would think God finds it good that it is discovered
We may not know what the obstruction is. Then I would think God finds it good that it is discovered
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TheLittleLady
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Because the prayer changes us.
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Kei
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The situations you describe are not lying but a choice of judgement or not following through.
Oftentimes you read the prophets it says explicitly if you do x then y, but if you do z, then a.
Oftentimes you read the prophets it says explicitly if you do x then y, but if you do z, then a.
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daverod
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Hebrews 6:18
“That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:”
“That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:”
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BornInMarch
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No. Not only does he not do this, but
A significant example of this would God’s Covenant with Abraham. In Genesis 15 God finalizes the covenant he made with Abraham (in which he promised to give Abraham and Sarah [despite the latter being passed childbearing age], to make Abraham’s descendants the ruler of a nation [Israel], and to use one of his descendants to bless all nations [Jesus, who is descended from Abraham through King David]). In order to seal this covenant, God had abraham cut some animals in half and then walked through the halves to Abraham. In the ancient world the person who walks through the animal halves in a contract is basically saying “May it be onto me as it is unto these animals if I don’t keep my promise”, so in doing this God makes it clear that breaking this promise isn’t an option for him.
A significant example of this would God’s Covenant with Abraham. In Genesis 15 God finalizes the covenant he made with Abraham (in which he promised to give Abraham and Sarah [despite the latter being passed childbearing age], to make Abraham’s descendants the ruler of a nation [Israel], and to use one of his descendants to bless all nations [Jesus, who is descended from Abraham through King David]). In order to seal this covenant, God had abraham cut some animals in half and then walked through the halves to Abraham. In the ancient world the person who walks through the animal halves in a contract is basically saying “May it be onto me as it is unto these animals if I don’t keep my promise”, so in doing this God makes it clear that breaking this promise isn’t an option for him.
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