Liturgy of the Hours- Christian Prayer

[tj_maxwell]

Hello-I’m new to this forum and stumbled on to it while looking for an answer related to the Morning and Evening Prayer selections.

I have used the posted guides listed on the St. Thomas More House of Prayer website while I learn the prayers. http://www.liturgyofthehours.org/todays_prayers_christian_prayer.htm

I understand a majority of how to move about the text and that there is opportunity for choice on some days, but I find myself getting lost while trying to select the proper Psalm readings when I follow what I think is correct from the book to what is listed in the guide from St. Thomas More’s webpage. . Do I stick with the sequence in the text (days following Epiphany) or do I do as listed in the guide (Wk 1-Wk 2- Wk 3 - Wk 4)?

While I can continue to stumble through, I would really like to understand the order of selections better so I don’t have to rely on web based guides.

Thanks for any (name removed by moderator)ut.

 

[InLight247]

Welcome to the forum.

These may help:

universalis.com/-400/today.htm

ebreviary.com/

 

[AJV]

Hello-I’m new to this forum and stumbled on to it while looking for an answer related to the Morning and Evening Prayer selections.

I have used the posted guides listed on the St. Thomas More House of Prayer website while I learn the prayers. http://www.liturgyofthehours.org/todays_prayers_christian_prayer.htm

I understand a majority of how to move about the text and that there is opportunity for choice on some days, but I find myself getting lost while trying to select the proper Psalm readings when I follow what I think is correct from the book to what is listed in the guide from St. Thomas More’s webpage. . Do I stick with the sequence in the text (days following Epiphany) or do I do as listed in the guide (Wk 1-Wk 2- Wk 3 - Wk 4)?

While I can continue to stumble through, I would really like to understand the order of selections better so I don’t have to rely on web based guides.

Thanks for any (name removed by moderator)ut.

Welcome.

I’m not fully sure about your question (are you speaking about the psalms or the Short Reading?). It appeared to me that St. Thomas More was also following the sequence for days after Epiphany?

Could you perhaps list your choice (like the incipits of the text) vs. St. Thomas More’s choice?

Today’s (Wed.) Morning Prayer should be:
Invitatory antiphon: Christ has appeared to us; come, let us adore Him
Invitatory psalm - 95/100/67/24​

Psalms and antiphons from Week 2 of the Psalter
From Wednesday after Epiphany in the Proper of Seasons:

• Reading: Is 49:8-9 (In the time of favour…)
• Resp. All the kings
• Ant. for Cant. of Zech. : We have seen his star
• Canticle of Zecariah
• Intercessions: In the fulless of time…Our Father…
• Prayer: God, light of all nations

(BTW, the 4 volume at the STM site is completely wrong though- I think they may have been using the calendar for another year - they’ve placed Epiphany on the 7th)

 

[tj_maxwell]

Thanks for the reply-

Let’s take the selections for Monday,1/ 07/ 08 St Raymond:

Christian Prayer:
Ant 1 1426 “You are theLight…”
Psalm 63:2-9 Taken from wk 1 pg 707
Ant 2 1426 “Let your light shine…”
Canticle Dan 3:57-88 Taken from wk 1 pg 708
Ant 3 1426 " God’s word…"
Psalm 149
Readings, Cant Zach, Inter etc 1427 (Common of Pastors)

Guide posted from STM website:
Antiphons and Psalm selections taken from Monday, Wk II
Readings, Cant Zach, Inter, etc 1427 (Common of Pastors)

Days like these are the confusing ones.
While I know God hears my prayers even if I am on the wrong page, I would still like to be with the rest of the Church on the same page if possible

God’s peace

 

[tj_maxwell]

Thanks for the reply.

I have looked at those sites in the past.

I guess my main concern is to learn the prayers correctly using the correct selections.

Guess I am too rigid.

 

[AJV]

Thanks for the reply.

I have looked at those sites in the past.

I guess my main concern is to learn the prayers correctly using the correct selections.

Guess I am too rigid.

Well, you came to the right place! Rigid, narrow-minded letter of law people!

The STM site is correct. I’m guessing that your selection was because they say “From the common of Doctors” and in the Common is given Psalms of Sunday Week 1 and the antiphons?

The direction actually refers to the non-psalmody parts like the Scripture Reading, Responsory, Ant for the Cant of Zach/Mary, intercessions IF these are not given in the Proper of Saints (some saints have a special Ant. for the Cant. of Zach- some even have Scripture Reading, etc.)

This is the format:

1. In the office of readings, at morning prayer, and at evening prayer:

a. the psalms and their antiphons are taken from the current week and day, unless there are proper antiphons or proper psalms, which is indicated as the case occurs;

b. the antiphon at the invitatory, the hymn, the short reading, the antiphons at the Canticles of Zechariah and of Mary, and the intercessions must be those of the saint if these are given in the proper; otherwise, they are taken either from the common or from the current week and day;

c. the concluding prayer from the office of the saint is to be said;

d. in the office of readings, the Scripture reading with its responsory is from the current cycle. The second reading is about the saint, with a proper responsory or one taken from the common; if there is no proper reading, the patristic reading for the day is used. The Te Deum is not said.

1. At daytime prayer and night prayer, all is from the weekday and nothing is from the office of the saint.

For an example of what is indicated by (a) proper psalms and antiphons, see OL Rosary on October 7. Or OL Sorrows on September 15

The idea is to preserve the regular reading of the psalter and Scripture over a definite period. If these were continuously replaced by Psalms of Sunday Week 1or other special psalms form the Common, then the idea would be lost.

So when would you use the direction of the Common for Sunday Week 1 psalms and the special antiphons? If the saint gets ‘bumped’ to a Feast or Solemnity on your local calendar, for example, by being the titular of your church or the patron of your diocese or nation.

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[tj_maxwell]

Thanks for the lesson. It’s nice to see people can still laugh at themselves.

I have been accused of being somewhat conservative in my own thinking but I have explored other areas of the forum and some responses do tend to be a bit- shall we say … no won’t go there- but interesting.

Hope to run across you again- God Bless
Tim