Liturgy of the Hours - week of June 10

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The Easter season ends with Evening Prayer II on Pentecost, so I’ll be going back to Volume II (Ordinary Time, weeks 1-17) starting Monday.

Two questions:
  1. The memorial of Mary, Mother of the Church is a new feast and my 35-year-old LOTH naturally doesn’t have it. Do I just use Common of the BVM? Or are there more specifics?
  2. What week of the Psalter will we be using?
Any help is appreciated.
 
  1. Use the Common of the BVM, including generic collect, if there’s nothing specific. Same issue for us using French and/or Latin. I checked in my Canadian Ordo and often for new feasts they’ll put the new collect in there, but alas there isn’t one for this feast. Edit: I just checked my missalette and there is a proper collect (in French!) so your local missalette should have the collect to use; the rest you can take from the Common.
  2. We will resume ordinary time on Monday, it will be the 10th week of Ordinary Time and Week II of the psalter.
 
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How is it the tenth? The Sunday before Ash Wednesday was the 8th. Shouldn’t it be the 9th Sunday?
 
Prodigal1984 said:
When did the Pentecost Octave stop existing!??
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After Vatican II

Pope Paul wasn’t paying close enough attention when he signed the new Calendar into law.

On the first Monday after Pentecost he started vesting in the traditional vestments when his aide said to him: “Your Holiness, this now ordinary time, you need to wear green.” The Pope replied, “this is the Octave of Pentecost”. The aide replied, “there is no more Octave of Pentecost.” The pope asked, “who approved that?!?!” The aide replied, “you did, Your Holiness.”

The Pope then began to cry.
 
The OF Form of the Mass considers the Octave Sunday of Easter as the 2nd Sunday of Easter.

While the Extraordinary Form does not.
 
No I mean when referring to Ordinary Time.
The Sunday before Ash Wednesday was the 8th.
We haven’t been in Ordinary time since the Tuesday of the 8th week in Ordinary Time.
Wouldn’t it follow that the week following when Ordinary Time begins again would be the 9th?
 
The Director of Liturgy sent this out to our priests and deacons:

THE LITURGY OF THE HOURS

Monday after Pentecost
The Blessed Virgin Mary, Mother of the Church
Memorial

Psalmody of the day. Other elements from the Psalter of the day or the Common of the Blessed Virgin Mary, except for the following:

PRAYER

O God, Father of mercies,
whose Only Begotten Son, as he hung upon the Cross,
chose the Blessed Virgin Mary, his Mother,
to be our Mother also,
grant, we pray, that with her loving help
your Church may be more fruitful day by day
and, exulting in the holiness of her children,
may draw to her embrace all the families of the peoples.
Through our Lord Jesus Christ, your Son,
who lives and reigns with you in the unity of the Holy Spirit,
one God, for ever and ever.
 
That’s sad .
For most of Church history the Octaves of Easter and Pentecost were the most privaleged Octaves. Also there are ember days in the Pentecost Octave.
 
Nope it’s definitely the 10th as confirmed by both Ordos I use (CCCB and Benedictine).

Here’s how it works: the liturgical year always has to end on the 34th week of Ordinary Time. So you count backwards from that. That puts next week as the 10th week in OT.
 
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phil19034 said:
After Vatican II

Pope Paul wasn’t paying close enough attention when he signed the new Calendar into law.

On the first Monday after Pentecost he started vesting in the traditional vestments when his aide said to him: “Your Holiness, this now ordinary time, you need to wear green.” The Pope replied, “this is the Octave of Pentecost”. The aide replied, “there is no more Octave of Pentecost.” The pope asked, “who approved that?!?!” The aide replied, “you did, Your Holiness.”

The Pope then began to cry.
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Nice story but it has never been authenticated.
 
But never substantiated as the quoted article makes clear:
The authenticity of the story remains in question,
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OraLabora said:
But never substantiated as the quoted article makes clear:
The authenticity of the story remains in question,
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True. But I have a tendency to believe this one was true.

I think Pope Paul IV was a very loving and trusting man, but to the point of being a little naive.
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phil19034 said:
True. But I have a tendency to believe this one was true.

I think Pope Paul IV was a very loving and trusting man, but to the point of being a little naive.
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I’m very skeptical and here’s why: St. Paul VI was not unaware of the developments in the liturgy. I’ve read extensively on the development of the Liturgy of the Hours (“From Breviary to Liturgy of the Hours” by Stanislaus Campbell is a great source), and not only was he kept abreast of the developments, but he insisted on putting on his imprint. For instance, the whole issue around removing the imprecatory psalms and psalm verses was settled not by the Consilium Coetus IX, but by Paul VI himself, who insisted on the change even when presented with the Consilium’s concerns.
“He [the pope] desires that there be omitted from the cycle of the psalter in their entirety the imprecatory psalms…” (Audience of Bugnini with the Pope, as conveyed by Cardinal Gut in a letter on June 7 1968)
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"In my view, it is preferable that a selection be made of psalms better suited to Christian prayer and that imprecatory and historical psalms be omitted (though these last may be suitably used in certain circumstances). (autograph note given to Fr. Bugnini Jan. 3d 1968)
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It would seem to me that this level of involvement makes it highly unlikely that a major change such as eliminating the Octave of Pentecost be overlooked by the Holy Father. After all it involves the whole structure of the liturgical year as we now know it.

So colour me sceptical. It strikes me as just another anti-OF meme by the usual suspects.
 
OraLabora said:
So colour me sceptical. It strikes me as just another anti-OF meme by the usual suspects.
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well… I wouldn’t call it anti-OF. I would say the story defends Pope Paul. Because if HE was really in favor of eliminating the Octave, then that would paint him in a bad light with many.
 
Sorry I’m not buying it. First of all the quote turns up in all the usual (anti-liturgical-reform… to be polite… sites), and painting him as naive certainly does not put him in a good light. The truth of the matter is that he was well informed on what was going on, as his involvement in the LOTH suggests. The liturgical year is too big a thing for him to have overlooked or approved without oversight. If he could have been bothered to fiddle with which psalms and verses to include in the psalter, I highly doubt that he let as big a change as this through his filters.

Next time I get the chance when I’m working at the abbey library (next Wednesday), I’ll dig around in Bugnini’s book to see what involvement St. Paul VI had in liturgical year reform.
 
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OraLabora said:
Sorry I’m not buying it. First of all the quote turns up in all the usual (anti-liturgical-reform… to be polite… sites), and painting him as naive certainly does not put him in a good light. The truth of the matter is that he was well informed on what was going on, as his involvement in the LOTH suggests. The liturgical year is too big a thing for him to have overlooked or approved without oversight. If he could have been bothered to fiddle with which psalms and verses to include in the psalter, I highly doubt that he let as big a change as this through his filters.

Next time I get the chance when I’m working at the abbey library (next Wednesday), I’ll dig around in Bugnini’s book to see what involvement St. Paul VI had in liturgical year reform.
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Yeah, but there are others who imply (or flat out claim) that he was a Freemason who infiltrated the Church to destroy it from within.

I don’t think Pope Paul was one of those people. So being naive is better than being demonic.
 
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