Looking for an actual Social Justice forum/outlet

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Is there a Catholic forum or maybe a Facebook page out there we can discuss how we live out Catholic social teaching in our lives without having to debate ad nauseum what it is and is not? It hasn’t taken long for me to realize this isn’t the place for me. I’ve been debating this subject (social justice) for the last 25 years and now I would love to find a place where I can learn more about the finer points from like-minded mentors.

Anyone?
 
Why not post questions that you would like to discuss as a new thread and see what happens. I understand that sometimes the people who respond are not wanting to discuss to the degree they may want to state their personal agendas but there are so many people on this forum with so many wonderful thoughts on the theme that I would love to see you give it a go. On a regular basis I find myself reading someone’s thoghtful post and being inspired by their words. Social teaching of the Catholic Church is a wonderful topic that I am sure would bring some great discussions on this forum. I urge you to try a question out before you give up on the forum.
 
Is there a Catholic forum or maybe a Facebook page out there we can discuss how we live out Catholic social teaching in our lives without having to debate ad nauseum what it is and is not? It hasn’t taken long for me to realize this isn’t the place for me. I’ve been debating this subject (social justice) for the last 25 years and now I would love to find a place where I can learn more about the finer points from like-minded mentors.

Anyone?
Authentic Catholic social justice teaching has been hi-jacked and the debate comes from those who exhort others as to that reality. With an open mind, perhaps the best course of action is to read the volumes now coming out from those who are not so “like-minded” in an effort to discern their credibility and experience, and with a view of understanding one’s own particular and partisan politics.
 
You might want to start your own blog.
I already have two blogs. I’m looking for a place to discuss solutions with like-minded people.
facebook.com/liveaction?fref=nf

I am sure there are others. I don’t know how it got to my facebook feed, but it is good.
Thanks! I’ll check it out.
I urge you to try a question out before you give up on the forum.
I’m not interested asking questions or discussing problems and solutions in a group where the vocal majority considers Social Justice nothing more than “social covetness” and/or “wealth redistribution” and/or supporting people who won’t work. And I don’t have the time to try to change anyone’s opinion. My calling right now is to actually work towards something more tangible here in my community. I don’t have the time for Christians/Catholics who defend Glenn Beck and his selfish view of social welfare.

If it sounds self-righteous, good. That’s what I was aiming for.
 
I already have two blogs. I’m looking for a place to discuss solutions with like-minded people.

Thanks! I’ll check it out.

I’m not interested asking questions or discussing problems and solutions in a group where the vocal majority considers Social Justice nothing more than “social covetness” and/or “wealth redistribution” and/or supporting people who won’t work. And I don’t have the time to try to change anyone’s opinion. My calling right now is to actually work towards something more tangible here in my community. I don’t have the time for Christians/Catholics who defend Glenn Beck and his selfish view of social welfare.

If it sounds self-righteous, good. That’s what I was aiming for.
Do you live in the United States? If so you might be interested in getting involved in this ministry…

usccb.org/about/justice-peace-and-human-development/catholic-social-ministry-gathering/

and the facebook page is here…

facebook.com/CatholicSocialMinistry
 
Is there a Catholic forum or maybe a Facebook page out there we can discuss how we live out Catholic social teaching in our lives without having to debate ad nauseum what it is and is not? It hasn’t taken long for me to realize this isn’t the place for me. I’ve been debating this subject (social justice) for the last 25 years and now I would love to find a place where I can learn more about the finer points from like-minded mentors.

Anyone?
I would just like a clear definition of “Social Justice”.

In the “olden days” we had a term “Catholic Action”…has that morphed into “social Justice”?
 
I would just like a clear definition of “Social Justice”.

In the “olden days” we had a term “Catholic Action”…has that morphed into “social Justice”?
To my mind, Catholic Action might be feeding the hungry. Social Justice would be trying to fix the reasons that they are hungry to begin with. :confused:
 
I would just like a clear definition of “Social Justice”.
Wouldn’t we all since the teaching has been corrupted to embrace such things as equality in “reproductive health” (code for immoral practices contra to Christian teaching) and the largest expansion of the welfare state ever - creating a continual dependency which, in turn, kills individual initiative and human dignity. Somehow a fundamental element is being left out – that to truly elevate the human condition is not to limit it to some sort of socio-economic status, but to perceive the human person in their totality – to feed the soul as well as the body.
 
I already have two blogs. I’m looking for a place to discuss solutions with like-minded people.

My calling right now is to actually work towards something more tangible here in my community.
There are so many various groups working within the Catholic Church that most likely share your vision (I’m basing this on your brief description.) If you prefer the Jim Wallis style and Sojourners (as opposed to Glenn Beck,) there are dozens of groups that say they are faith-based and espouse community organizing such as The Gamaliel Foundation, The Industrial Areas Foundation, The Center for Community Change, etc. There are also parish programs you may be interested in such as Just Faith, but beware that there is much controversy surrounding each of these as it has been said it appears they wish the Church mission of salvation be diverted to one primarily of social action and welfare.
 
I found this concise volume (12 chapters) a few years ago; it was very helpful at a time when ‘community organization’ was trying to gain a foothold in our parish.

Citizens of the Heavenly City: A Catechism of Catholic Social Teaching
160 pp. I found it available on Amazon.com
What is Catholic Social Teaching? Oftentimes Catholics hear conflicting voices as to what exactly this essential teaching of the Church is. Now comes a solid textbook for studying that rich tradition of the Church’s doctrine; nay, more than a textbook, it is a handbook for applying the truth of Christ to the moral problems of our day! Dr. Arthur Hippler has penned this fine work at the request of Raymond Cardinal Burke when he was then-Bishop of LaCrosse, Wisconsin.
There are, of course much lengthier and more detailed books devoted to Catholic Social Teaching, such as:
Compendium of the Social Doctrine of the Church (read it on this web site)

Tigg is SO right about many the groups which have hijacked the term ‘social justice’ in order to promote their particular brand, which in comparison with authentic Catholic social teaching is not compatible. I could give many examples, such as anyone affiliated with The Gamaliel Foundation.

I also found this on facebook, but cannot vouch for its being orthodox:
facebook.com/groups/738894382789479/

Many people are probably needing clarification, so thank you, Selah KY, for presenting your interest in this topic!

Praying for a New Pentecost,
Mimi
 
Unfortunately, I don’t think you will be able to find what you are looking for as most folks involved in the social teaching of the Church seem to be politically driven about it one way or the other.

But if you do, let me know so I can join in also.

However, for personal study, what I would most highly recommend is the two volume “Christian Social Witness and Teaching: the Catholic Tradition from Genesis to Centesimus Annus”, by Rodger Charles S.J.

As a convert, Catholic Social Teaching played a central role in bringing me to the Church and Fr. Charles work is the most significant book I have ever found about it.

This is the only work I have found that goes into enough depth (and has no political axe to grind) and breadth to help us understand why the social teaching of the Church is such a powerful statement of her way of being in the world.

And there is the two volume encylopedia and supplement by Coulter, M. L., Krason, S. M., Myers, R.S., & Varacalli, J. A. (2007). “Encyclopedia of Catholic Social Thought, Social Science, and Social Policy” Vols. 1 & 2 & 3 (Supplement volume published in 2012) Lanham, Maryland, The Scarecrow Press, Inc.
 
and the largest expansion of the welfare state ever - creating a continual dependency which, in turn, kills individual initiative and human dignity.
:banghead:
There are also parish programs you may be interested in such as Just Faith, but beware that there is much controversy surrounding each of these as it has been said it appears they wish the Church mission of salvation be diverted to one primarily of social action and welfare.
I think I am intelligent enough to understand the controversies without being chastised as if I was six years old. :rolleyes: I have far more trouble with statements like yours that seem to imply that we should just forget about social action and welfare, as if it isn’t any part of the equation. Throw out the baby with the bathwater. Not interested in those types of conversations.
 
I would just like a clear definition of “Social Justice”.
Since the Seven Themes wasn’t a good enough definition, here’s one that’s a bit more concise:
**SOCIAL JUSTICE: ** The respect for the human person and the rights which flow from human dignity and guarantee it. Society must provide the conditions that allow people to obtain what is their due, according to their nature and vocation.
Recognize the source?
 
It’s unfortunate Selah KY, that you present as more confrontational than truly interested in social justice since you’ve only replied to the obviously anti-social justice posters. The others of us that posted ideas in good faith believing you to be genuinely interested in social justice have been ignored. Perhaps some self examination is in order?
 
It’s unfortunate Selah KY, that you present as more confrontational than truly interested in social justice since you’ve only replied to the obviously anti-social justice posters. The others of us that posted ideas in good faith believing you to be genuinely interested in social justice have been ignored. Perhaps some self examination is in order?
Thank you for your observation. Actually, are there really anti-social justice posters on this thread or are we all struggling for a clear definition of the term since political ideology has caused a morphing of the* understanding *of the teaching and quoting one sentence out of context doesn’t quite bring us to a starting point. I really do wish we could dialogue sensibly about this important issue without lines being drawn in the sand between SJ activism and the obvious departure from moral teaching that often happens with it.

I am currently reading a book called *“Reclaiming Catholic Social Teaching” * and although I find it deficient in some areas, the author does truly try to defend true teaching on marriage, family and the State. Here are a few excerpts that, I believe, could provide common ground in discussion and they are taken from actual teaching documents of the Church:
We must cease conceiving of “the rich” and “the poor” as abstractions, or as nameless masses, or as parts of a national machine. A society can only be a society of persons, with the rights and duties that flow from their God-given nature as persons meant to be bound in love.

When people no longer recognize their divine source and end, and forget the genuine spiritual equality that subsists among them, they substitute for it an artificial equality in goods, violating {certain} rights…in other words, they seek equality where it is not to be had, and destroy the inequality - we may say diversity, that God has ordained.
The new civilization is not an object so much as a virtue, a way of life. It does not depend upon technological sophistication, or material wealth, or the wisdom of statutes. It changes the hearts of the people, turning them from ferocity to mildness, from the pursuit of things that cannot be shared without diminution to the pursuit of things that grow greater by being shared……the Church achieves these things not merely by abstract teaching, but by her incarnate practice. She does not unite people of like mind to a party of opinion. She unites whole persons, in love of God and neighbor.
Perhaps common ground is not possible because we cannot agree on the meaning of human life and what is most important in living that life to its fullest potential.
 
Since the Seven Themes wasn’t a good enough definition, here’s one that’s a bit more concise:
SOCIAL JUSTICE: The respect for the human person and the rights which flow from human dignity and guarantee it. Society must provide the conditions that allow people to obtain what is their due, according to their nature and vocation.

Recognize the source?
Yes Selah, that is the classic quote from the Catechism, page 899 in my edition, and the one I refer most people to.
 
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