Looking for an actual Social Justice forum/outlet

[Mimi]

DavidLukenbill wrote, in part:

for personal study, what I would most highly recommend is the two volume “Christian Social Witness and Teaching: the Catholic Tradition from Genesis to Centesimus Annus”, by Rodger Charles S.J.

As a convert, Catholic Social Teaching played a central role in bringing me to the Church and Fr. Charles work is the most significant book I have ever found about it.

Thank you for that recommendation!

And Welcome Home :dancing: to the Catholic Church David L., (which some say is a dysfunctional family). :slapfight:We are all obligated to do our part to reform every day and build the Church as living stones.

Mimi

 

[DavidLukenbill]

DavidLukenbill wrote, in part:

Thank you for that recommendation!

And Welcome Home :dancing: to the Catholic Church David L., (which some say is a dysfunctional family). :slapfight:We are all obligated to do our part to reform every day and build the Church as living stones.

Mimi

Thank you for the welcome home Mimi, and yes we are somewhat dysfunctional, but I wouldn’t be anywhere else.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

Since the Seven Themes wasn’t a good enough definition, here’s one that’s a bit more concise:

Quote:
SOCIAL JUSTICE: The respect for the human person and the rights which flow from human dignity and guarantee it. Society must provide the conditions that allow people to obtain what is their due, according to their nature and vocation.

Without opening my Catechism, I would say it sounds very much like Ayn Rand’s philosophy.

 

[MarkInOregon]

:banghead:

I think I am intelligent enough to understand the controversies without being chastised as if I was six years old. I have far more trouble with statements like yours that seem to imply that we should just forget about social action and welfare, as if it isn’t any part of the equation. Throw out the baby with the bathwater. Not interested in those types of conversations.

I didn’t read Tiggs statement quite as harshly as you did. Was Tigg really advocating or implying what you claim? Do you fail to acknowledge that the welfare system in America, as it is currently administered, makes it hard for one to work oneself off of it? If we don’t allow a person to grow and move into better jobs–jobs where they can earn enough to support themselves without the need for welfare–we are creating dependency and killing initiative–and we are not respecting there dignity as a human person. Currently if you get a job that pays just over a certain threshhold–bye bye benefits–all of them–no phase out. If you are frugal, collect cans and put away a little to try to get your kid into community college–bye bye benefits. You’re not interested in discussing if it is possible to reform the welfare system in a way that makes sense and actually assists people in moving up and out in a way that allows them to regain or keep there dignity?

The peace of Christ,
Mark

 

[Ignatius]

Is there a Catholic forum or maybe a Facebook page out there we can discuss how we live out Catholic social teaching in our lives ?

This is the Social Justice sub-forum you are posting in.

 

[Selah_KY]

This is the Social Justice sub-forum you are posting in.

OBVIOUSLY. But giving it the title “Social Justice” doesn’t mean that’s what’s being discussed.

 

[Ignatius]

OBVIOUSLY. But giving it the title “Social Justice” doesn’t mean that’s what’s being discussed.

I believe it is pretty well monitored and Social Justice subjects are in the majority of the threads here.

 

[Selah_KY]

I believe it is pretty well monitored and Social Justice subjects are in the majority of the threads here.

In the few months I have been visiting here I have NOT found that to be the case. Too many threads devolve into an argument about what social justice actually is.

 

[Zoltan_Cobalt]

In the few months I have been visiting here I have NOT found that to be the case. Too many threads devolve into an argument about what social justice actually is.

Then perhaps that is a social justice problem in itself. People seem to define the Catholic Church’s idea of social justice as their own understanding of what social justice is…or worse what they want it to be…

 

[Flopfoot]

You could look for either;

A place where everyone agrees on what social justice is and works together from that point, or

A place where everyone ignores/accepts the fact that they don’t agree on what social justice is and still tries to work together anyway

Obviously a forum like CAF can’t be the first of those things since we are a very diverse group of people. You could create a thread where you ask for the second of those things and hopefully people agree to it.

An example of this in practice might be,
Someone says something along the lines of “I think the current welfare system is a problem”
Another person replies “I disagree”
The first person agrees not to push along that line of reasoning any further, while still keeping that position as a personal belief.
(The important thing here is that people are able to realise the differences between personal beliefs and universal beliefs and not insist that they are right).

An example of this not working might be if posters later in the thread go back to that original disagreement and support one side or the other, turning it into an argument about the current welfare system.